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robotnix 06-27-2014 06:14 PM

timing chain install instructions
 
hi guys,

I'm trying to learn about timing chains and having a bit of a hard time can't find anything on youtube or google that actually explains the principle behind timing chains and how they work.

I want to learn because I have my waterpump and timing chain cover to change. so I told myself I might just also change the timing chain since all will be down anyway.

I know there is a proper way to install that thing.

I got the ford racing one and on the small gear there are numbers and on the large gear a dot so I want to be sure I undersand how this works to install it right.


thank you.

dawson1112 06-27-2014 07:22 PM

If you don't under stand the principles of a timing chain you should probly not attempt to install one yourself. Instead you should click here http://bit.ly/1qknPBI

bluebeastsrt 06-27-2014 09:15 PM

My friend do yourself a giant favor and get a hanes manual from the autoparts store.

robotnix 06-28-2014 08:28 PM

ok got the book... thanks.

now I'm trying to open up the crank pulley and all I'm doing is turning the engine.

did some readin gthey say to put it to 5th gear with handbrake (will I domage transmission)????

others say use impact... I may try this instead.

thoughts?

thanks.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...628_210150.jpg

bluebeastsrt 06-28-2014 08:58 PM

Spray it with some penetrating oil and use an impact if you have one. If not, you should be able to put the car in gear and use a breaker bar and extension to loosen the nut. if your still having issues after trying both of these technics. Use a strap wrench and hold the pulley. Don't worry some times you have to use force to get things apart. That's a stout part. Nothing will break!

tinman 06-29-2014 02:26 AM

Remember, righty=tighty. Lefty=loosey........

dawson1112 06-29-2014 02:51 AM

The crank pulley bolts are nothing compared to the balancer bolt in the center, wait till you try to crack that one loose.

For the 4 pulley bolts hit em with some penetrating lube and let em soak over night if ya have to. Impact should work fine on the pulley bolts, but I doubt youll get the balancer bolt loose with one, Ive had to use a breaker with a 3' pipe over the handle for more leverage to brake those loose. Last one I did , even the parking brake and transmission in gear wasnt enough to stop the engine from rotating, instead the hole car was moving. So I used a small length of chain with a hook on one end , bolted one end onto where the pulley bolts to then the other end I hooked onto someplace solid in order to keep the engine still, even with the 3' pipe on my breaker it took all I had to get it loose.

robotnix 06-29-2014 05:53 AM

I think I'll use this thread to build a document on how to get this job done for other noobs like me.

ok so got the pulley bolts off easy enough with penetrating lube took me 5 minutes for all 4.

but WOW the crank bolts... look I have physical force but OK I think I have to find another way than my small wrench and the right size socket :) lol

right now I just put some penetrating lube on it and I'll give it few hours and try again the same way see if goes anywhere.

dawson1112 06-29-2014 06:36 AM

Youll need a large breaker bar, and most likely a long helper pipe over to break it loose, and youll have to give it all you got. Penetrating lube wont help ya on the crank bolt, its sheer force for that one.

mjr46 06-29-2014 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawson1112 (Post 8404062)
Impact should work fine on the pulley bolts, but I doubt youll get the balancer bolt loose with one,

then you need to go buy a real impact instead of using a vatozone great neck one...lol my mac impact never flinches on the 302 crank bolts and it's broken loose 100's over the years. :)

robotnix 06-29-2014 01:00 PM

just to run this by you guys,

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...629_135529.jpg

so I'm trying to open this bolt and going counter clock right? :)

larger picture of the bolt,
this is the same bolt right? do I have to do anything before trying to turn it couter clock? like remove a pin or something that could be blocking it into place?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...629_140605.jpg

Maxwelhse 06-29-2014 04:30 PM

Nope, it's just a bolt.

And mjr is right on. Get a real impact and it will buzz right off of there. I've NEVER had a problem with a crank bolt using a professional level tool. A real impact should provide 500ft-lbs or more in reverse and have several hundred BPM.

Your local rental place may have a decent quality impact (not autozone, a real rental store) that you can rent for a day.

robotnix 06-29-2014 04:50 PM

thank you maxwelhse,

you guys rock really.

I'm very pleased with the help you guys are willing to provide to total noobs like myself :)
one day I will be helping the noobs.

bluebeastsrt 06-29-2014 05:41 PM

That's exactly right. Having the balls to tear into the rebuild is half the battle. It gets easier the more you do it.

jimkaray 06-30-2014 12:58 AM

An old school trick if you don't have an impact wrench is to use the torque from the starter. You should use a 6 point socket and a breaker bar with a long handle that won't rotate without hitting something solid, like a frame rail or the ground. Put the socket/BB on the bolt and rotate the handle clockwise until its up against the bottom of the frame rail. Next just tap on the key so the starter engages for a second. DO NOT start the car! Pull the plug wires to be safe. Now check to see if the bolt broke free and remove it the rest of the way with your ratchet.
In case you can't picture how this works - the engine will rotate clockwise pushing the bar in effect in the opposite direction relative to the bolt. That is instead of you holding the pulley in a static position and rotating the bolt with the socket, you are holding the bolt static with the socket and rotating the crank, or screwing off from the 'nut' side rather than the bolt side.

Maxwelhse 06-30-2014 04:04 PM

That trick may work, but I wouldn't suggest it for a host of reasons.

Renting a good impact gun is like $15-30 and has almost no risk (if the bolt breaks off in the crank it was going to break off no matter what).

You could also do what I do and borrow one from a friend (for the time being). A couple of beers is usually good tool rental payment.

robotnix 06-30-2014 06:56 PM

guys went to a store, bought a regular wrench with just 3 times longer handle and that did the job I then returned the tool :) well that and my muscle POWAAAA.

so next step now I have to wait for my pulley removal tool to get here which should be anytime this week ordered it from summitracing

dawson1112 06-30-2014 07:54 PM

You could have just rented it from autozone, and then got your money back when you were finished with it. I hope the one you ordered came with the installer also.

robotnix 07-01-2014 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawson1112 (Post 8404656)
You could have just rented it from autozone, and then got your money back when you were finished with it. I hope the one you ordered came with the installer also.

it does.
we have no autozone here but the place they rent the guy told me they only have a puller. so I told him about the installer and he had no clue so I bought one who knows maybe I'll help some poor bastard one day :)

robotnix 07-01-2014 10:02 AM

on another note I have my timing chain cover.
it does not look like the one I have on my car...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...701_105132.jpg

what's red I don't have them on my 92 GT manual. thoughts??


I think this is how mine looks like,
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/78215795/tc351f.png


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