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Slowpoek06GT 06-13-2013 12:01 AM

I'll try anything.. Tune issues.
 
06 GT with a Steeda CAI and Bama SF3 tuner.. I just ripped around town a bit on the 91 race tune- car was running Grrrrrreat. I'm going on the road soon, so I went to load the 91 perf tune when I got home. I barely got it to idle-- and tripped the p2104 and p2112 DTCs with associated fail safe and engine lights.. I know these are for:

P2104- throttle actuator control system- forced idle
P2112- " " " " - stuck closed

I tried returning to the race tune. I returned to stock. I disconnected the battery and retried everything. I did a strange "tune dance" in my driveway in hopes that I could get back to where I was a half hour earlier-- to no avail. I've had no Problems of late. I really REFUSE to think this is a TB issue-- who's the genius out there? I've surfed a bit trying to find the answer on my own- but wanted to post to the forum in hopes of taking the beast on the road this week.

VistaBlueFrank68 06-13-2013 01:32 AM

Did you buy the tuner or did it come with the car?
I once had a prob with mine, I lost the stock tune with one tuner, then got a SCT and well things can get confusing when you don't know a cars past.

Did you try Googling problems with p2104 and so on...?

Later.

808muscle 06-13-2013 01:48 AM

Call bama.

Slowpoek06GT 06-13-2013 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VistaBlueFrank68 (Post 8230528)
Did you buy the tuner or did it come with the car?
I once had a prob with mine, I lost the stock tune with one tuner, then got a SCT and well things can get confusing when you don't know a cars past.

Did you try Googling problems with p2104 and so on...?

Later.

I bought the tuner from AM with the CAI- and I also tried googling everything I can think of.. no luck. I can get a list of what the codes are but nothing as far as a fix. like I said, no reason to think a TB (or TB motor) issue, which is what it seems they are point to.

awbreyjd 06-13-2013 08:15 AM

yes but have you called bama yet. They can probably help you out. At teh same time you said you were ripping around town on the 91 Race Tune then got home and changed tunes. Something could have very well happened to your components during some ripped driving around town. **** does happen. But Bama is good with customer service once you get ahold of them. Sometimes that is a task but they are busy.

Slowpoek06GT 06-13-2013 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awbreyjd (Post 8230603)
yes but have you called bama yet. They can probably help you out. At teh same time you said you were ripping around town on the 91 Race Tune then got home and changed tunes. Something could have very well happened to your components during some ripped driving around town. **** does happen. But Bama is good with customer service once you get ahold of them. Sometimes that is a task but they are busy.

Called Bama. No help there. I find it hard to believe that I had no lights, whistles, crappy idle, or DTCs until I changed the tune- and it's gotta be the TB. I really thought they'd be more help too- as far as rippin around town, I understand **** happens but seems coincidental that it would happen at the same time as the tune change. I have had the wrong tune before- and that's what this is like. Takes a few extra seconds to turn over and then idles REAL low and slow.

mapitts 06-13-2013 09:38 AM

Lots of custom tune issues here lately, or so it seems. Mostly on the 4.6's. Seems like no one is exempt. Bama, Brenspeed, Steeda.

Slowpoek06GT 06-13-2013 09:47 AM

Alright alright- before everyone goes up the ladder on my previous post-- allow me to remove my foot from my forum mouth. It would appear I have a TB issue afterall. Now- maybe I can get some guidance with regard to the TB. It's a BBK 62mm that's been on for about 8-10 months.

I come across a gold-ish colored piece of machined metal that appears to match the color of the idle control. This piece is about a half inch long and cylindrical- almost looking like a piston of sorts. It was found sitting nicely on top of my radiator cover. Any thoughts on a fix, cause, etc?

Slowpoek06GT 06-13-2013 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Slowpoek06GT (Post 8230654)
Alright alright- before everyone goes up the ladder on my previous post-- allow me to remove my foot from my forum mouth. It would appear I have a TB issue afterall. Now- maybe I can get some guidance with regard to the TB. It's a BBK 62mm that's been on for about 8-10 months.

I come across a gold-ish colored piece of machined metal that appears to match the color of the idle control. This piece is about a half inch long and cylindrical- almost looking like a piston of sorts. It was found sitting nicely on top of my radiator cover. Any thoughts on a fix, cause, etc?

The idle control now has an open top to it. It appears this piece came from inside? Anyone heard of this?

lawrencecar1 06-13-2013 10:49 AM

the permanent fix to put the stock tb back on..

AMWill 06-13-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slowpoek06GT (Post 8230654)
Alright alright- before everyone goes up the ladder on my previous post-- allow me to remove my foot from my forum mouth. It would appear I have a TB issue afterall. Now- maybe I can get some guidance with regard to the TB. It's a BBK 62mm that's been on for about 8-10 months.

I come across a gold-ish colored piece of machined metal that appears to match the color of the idle control. This piece is about a half inch long and cylindrical- almost looking like a piston of sorts. It was found sitting nicely on top of my radiator cover. Any thoughts on a fix, cause, etc?

Slowpoek06GT,

Could you take a picture of both the piece you found and the BBK TB? This may help us identify the piece. At the very minimum, I BBK will be able to see what's missing or broken.

Either way, I'm sure we'll be able to get this figured out!

Shane

tj@steeda 06-13-2013 03:01 PM

Quote:

Lots of custom tune issues here lately, or so it seems. Mostly on the 4.6's. Seems like no one is exempt. Bama, Brenspeed, Steeda.
Not many issues here ... sometimes we just need to do a revision or two to get it spot on.

Best Regards,

TJ

Slowpoek06GT 06-13-2013 10:15 PM

This is a pic (rotated) of the right top corner of the TB and idle control (gold). You can see the idle control is hollow in this pic..
http://i44.tinypic.com/qn1uso.jpg
After I re-inserted the found piece, it looked normal-- in this pic..
http://i39.tinypic.com/6gh087.jpg
On the left of the below pic is the piece I found on my radiator cover. After I re-inserted it into the idle control and then removed it, it pulled out (with it) the silver piece on the right. Maybe this is the issue????
http://i41.tinypic.com/2sajfx1.jpg
Those two pieces fit together as such..
http://i40.tinypic.com/oa3n0j.jpg

at this point, both small parts are out of the car.. I disconnected the CAI and found the TB (with engine off) spring loaded closed, which I expected. When I pushed it open, it returned to closed. I checked all electrical connections and everything looks good.. Is this the point at which I dis-assemble the (right) side of the TB and find out what the hell is up with these two random idle control pieces?? Anybody seen this?

lawrencecar1 06-14-2013 09:29 AM

i believe that is the plunger to adjust the tps voltage, probably could take the motor side off and re-insert. adjust to stock voltage..

check out below video..

http://www.bbkperformance.com/produc...ttle-body.html

Slowpoek06GT 06-14-2013 11:31 AM

So here are the three parts all out of the TB.. allen bolt to allow the idle control (gold) to be backed out.
http://i40.tinypic.com/iz25ig.jpg
I talked to BBK and they said the three parts are pressure mounted together upon construction of the TB itself. I'm hoping they'll let me just send these three back instead of having to uninstall the entire TB. We'll see... MTF

AMWill 06-14-2013 05:02 PM

Let me know if BBK is able to send you new components and get this straightened out. If you have any troubles, shoot me a PM!

Shane

Nuke 06-14-2013 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrencecar1 (Post 8230698)
the permanent fix to put the stock tb back on..

^This, as is stated over and over in this forum. With all the info about the BS people put up with using aftermarket TB's, I have no idea why people insist on installing them without the mods that make it worthwhile.

mapitts 06-14-2013 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tj@steeda (Post 8230852)
Not many issues here ... sometimes we just need to do a revision or two to get it spot on.

Best Regards,

TJ

Luckily mine is still running strong. Steeda still has my vote. Was not trying to flame any of the tuners. Without ya'll, life would suck. May be that we are just seeing the influx of more and more people running tunes. Looks like this thread was totally not tune related. Also plus 1 on what Nuke said. An aftermarket TB N/A is just asking for a problem IMHO.

kevinmalec 06-17-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuke (Post 8231489)
^This, as is stated over and over in this forum. With all the info about the BS people put up with using aftermarket TB's, I have no idea why people insist on installing them without the mods that make it worthwhile.

I agree with Rick. I've read many negative posts in regards to the BBK TB and other after market TB's.
Get your money back and put it towards another mod. ;)

Slowpoek06GT 06-19-2013 10:37 AM

Alright- so I emailed BBK. The response I got from them is that the TB is very sensitive to voltage changes and the new tune likely changed something. Either way, the result was that I blew the idle control open at some point. I have subsequently re-installed the OE TB and retuned.

Coincidentally, while removing the BBK TB, I look down and see the spring for the idle control sitting atop the pan below the radiator-- so it came apart while under power and I eventually found all the parts-- what are the chances!?

As much as I hear about aftermarket TBs causing problems, do they not provide ANY performance gain?


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