How underated are..
01-03-2008, 01:17 PM
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RE: How underated are..
ORIGINAL: MACH5IVE
For the first "bolding" (haha) When it comes to mach's vs ls1's i dont think their's such thing as out-driving or whatever! Thats pretty much beating them, withls1's being so comparably equal to mach 1's.. Stock atleast...
For the second "bolding" No offense, but I'd have to say that given those cars and those mods, you're times could been quite a bit better..
For the third "bolding" I have to down right disagree.. The ls1's 5.7 just breaths and responds to mods so much better than our 4.6...
I own a mach 1 and love it to death and have never owned an ls1, so i can my opinions are not biased for any of you guys thinking that!
ORIGINAL: Stone629
Well, all Ls1s are 350hp at the crank regardless of model. Like us, they are slightly underated. Considering Machs are probably really pushing 320hp at the crank, that's about a 30hp difference. Anyway, Machs have much better gearing and a much better powerband. An Ls1 is pushing it's powerbandreving past 6k rpms, so Machs can hold a gear a little longer at 6800rpm. I agree that the Ls1 prolly/MAYBE has the Mach by a hair, but really it's a driver's race. I say that cause I've been lucky enough to either out-run or out-drive almost every Ls1 I've raced with close/Similar mods to mine. I have also owned two Ls1s. A 04 GTO and a 98 Z28. Both with Auto trannys. I modded both Ls1s with full-bolt-ons (LTs,tunes,gears,etc) and I can honestly say that mod for mod, the Mach is Faster. I had to put LTs,full exhaust, CAI,and a dyno tune on the Ls1 GTO just to get a 13.0. With Nitto DRs, I got it down to a 12.85 at 107 which sucked IMO with that amount of modding. The Z28 had a 3k raptor stall, full suspension, full exhaust, LTs, CAI, Dyno tune (340rwhp/400rwtq), and street tires. I landed a 12.70 at 107 with it on a 1.78 60'. A lot of mods for a high 12 [sm=smiley21.gif]. The GTO ran 13.8-14.0 bone stock. No idea on the Camaro since it was modded when I bought it. My Mach ran a 13.4 at 105 bone stock. I am now running a 13.0 at almost 109mph with an O/R/X and 4.10s on street tires, completely pedaling/babying it off the line and in 2nd gear. I think the Machs react better to mods and are all over an Ls1s bumper stock for stock. Really, as far as my experience with the two, the Mach is faster hands down, but with all the claims from the Ls1 guys around here, I tend to doubt my own opinion. I've had both and I vouch for the Mach.
Well, all Ls1s are 350hp at the crank regardless of model. Like us, they are slightly underated. Considering Machs are probably really pushing 320hp at the crank, that's about a 30hp difference. Anyway, Machs have much better gearing and a much better powerband. An Ls1 is pushing it's powerbandreving past 6k rpms, so Machs can hold a gear a little longer at 6800rpm. I agree that the Ls1 prolly/MAYBE has the Mach by a hair, but really it's a driver's race. I say that cause I've been lucky enough to either out-run or out-drive almost every Ls1 I've raced with close/Similar mods to mine. I have also owned two Ls1s. A 04 GTO and a 98 Z28. Both with Auto trannys. I modded both Ls1s with full-bolt-ons (LTs,tunes,gears,etc) and I can honestly say that mod for mod, the Mach is Faster. I had to put LTs,full exhaust, CAI,and a dyno tune on the Ls1 GTO just to get a 13.0. With Nitto DRs, I got it down to a 12.85 at 107 which sucked IMO with that amount of modding. The Z28 had a 3k raptor stall, full suspension, full exhaust, LTs, CAI, Dyno tune (340rwhp/400rwtq), and street tires. I landed a 12.70 at 107 with it on a 1.78 60'. A lot of mods for a high 12 [sm=smiley21.gif]. The GTO ran 13.8-14.0 bone stock. No idea on the Camaro since it was modded when I bought it. My Mach ran a 13.4 at 105 bone stock. I am now running a 13.0 at almost 109mph with an O/R/X and 4.10s on street tires, completely pedaling/babying it off the line and in 2nd gear. I think the Machs react better to mods and are all over an Ls1s bumper stock for stock. Really, as far as my experience with the two, the Mach is faster hands down, but with all the claims from the Ls1 guys around here, I tend to doubt my own opinion. I've had both and I vouch for the Mach.
For the second "bolding" No offense, but I'd have to say that given those cars and those mods, you're times could been quite a bit better..
For the third "bolding" I have to down right disagree.. The ls1's 5.7 just breaths and responds to mods so much better than our 4.6...
I own a mach 1 and love it to death and have never owned an ls1, so i can my opinions are not biased for any of you guys thinking that!
Yea, I could've thrown DRs on there like everyone else and used the stall to it's full potential and have ran a low 12, but I was trying to conserve the rear differential that I already had to rebuild twice. If you haven't owned any Ls1s, much less sunk the kind of money I have in one, then you really are out of line telling me what they should or should'nt do. I'm not going by what I've read here on the forums about these cars, rather by experience. I have a VERY small portion invested in my Mach compared to the two Ls1s, and the Mach is already knocking on their high 12 second doors. I'm not trying to sound harsh man, just want to get my point across
01-03-2008, 01:22 PM
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RE: How underated are..
ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
is there a way to keep up with the c6?
is there a way to keep up with the c6?
If you want to hang with a C6 on the track, you're going to need gears and some slicks and just take him off the line. A Mach would need more than just tires and gears to trap what they do though. On the open road, the Mach would probably need a S/C or a little spray to take one. The stock C6s I've seen at the track have been low-mid 12 second cars trapping ++110mph.
01-03-2008, 01:39 PM
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RE: How underated are..
cant find my dynosheet, but my car with high flow cats, weld in flows, and k&n drop in filter made 293/299 on a 80 degree day. Not sure how much those mods actually helped but I was pretty pleased with the numbers for all that had been done.
01-03-2008, 01:56 PM
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RE: How underated are..
ORIGINAL: Stone629
+1 on the C5s.
If you want to hang with a C6 on the track, you're going to need gears and some slicks and just take him off the line. A Mach would need more than just tires and gears to trap what they do though. On the open road, the Mach would probably need a S/C or a little spray to take one. The stock C6s I've seen at the track have been low-mid 12 second cars trapping ++110mph.
ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
is there a way to keep up with the c6?
is there a way to keep up with the c6?
If you want to hang with a C6 on the track, you're going to need gears and some slicks and just take him off the line. A Mach would need more than just tires and gears to trap what they do though. On the open road, the Mach would probably need a S/C or a little spray to take one. The stock C6s I've seen at the track have been low-mid 12 second cars trapping ++110mph.
cai
mid pipe/catback
tune
gears.
01-03-2008, 05:49 PM
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RE: How underated are..
ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
ok, so the first mod's for the machs should be
cai
mid pipe/catback
tune
gears.
ORIGINAL: Stone629
+1 on the C5s.
If you want to hang with a C6 on the track, you're going to need gears and some slicks and just take him off the line. A Mach would need more than just tires and gears to trap what they do though. On the open road, the Mach would probably need a S/C or a little spray to take one. The stock C6s I've seen at the track have been low-mid 12 second cars trapping ++110mph.
ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
is there a way to keep up with the c6?
is there a way to keep up with the c6?
If you want to hang with a C6 on the track, you're going to need gears and some slicks and just take him off the line. A Mach would need more than just tires and gears to trap what they do though. On the open road, the Mach would probably need a S/C or a little spray to take one. The stock C6s I've seen at the track have been low-mid 12 second cars trapping ++110mph.
cai
mid pipe/catback
tune
gears.
01-03-2008, 11:32 PM
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RE: How underated are..
They can be a headache, but ifyou take the K-Member down, you'll have full access to the header bolts and it's not too bad. Without removing the K-Member...pretty rough. I will be doing my own since everyone wants an arm and a leg to install them.