NEED HELP! got scammed off a saleen #476
12-07-2011, 11:05 AM
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really?
ok this is getting old, really "captain underpants"
so can you tell us who "captain underpants" is? Its funny how your writing style is exactly the same under each username. At least try to change it up a bit.
this is the only response your all going to get to all this because i have no patience for all this crap.
full explanation
2006 bought a saleen s281sc #476 for myself for my bday
car had electrical issues and every other recall there was, gas tank, hood brackets, seat belts, ect ect from the start!
ok, so, you should have gotten it fixed. if its a new car there should be no problem getting these things fixed under warranty
ford couldn't fix the electrical spike issue so i started a lemon law case against them. 1 year went by and nothing got resolved and yet i was paying $786 monthly payments on a car that ran half the time.
lemon laws qualify if you had to take the car to the dealer at least 4 times to fix the same issue. I find it hard to believe that Ford couldnt fix an alternator issues in 4 different times. If it was an electrical issue they have equipment that can check the whole system for faults. if there was a problem I am not sure why you would jump on a lemon law so quickly over a simple fix.
how would a car run half the time with an electrical issue? How many miles are on your car? I remember seeing 60k+ somewhere. How did you get that many miles out of your car with electrical problems?
second year i stopped paying and ford credit got mad but hey i signed for a car that was brand new which shouldn't have these issues so shove it. finally ford motor company offered me $25,000 to accept the issue and go away yet ford credit put a 54k lien on me and the lemon law lawyers were idiots and did nothing so they were fired.
"stopped paying ford credit because you got mad"? great idea. I wonder how your credit is. I somtimes get mad I have to pay rent so sometimes I tell my landlord to "shove it".
Ford gave you $25k to "accept the issue"? what issue? Why would Ford give you money, then put a $54k lean on your car? They should either buyback the car or not under the lemon law. I dont understand you you were able to receive $25k and keep your car.
i hired a new lawyer who said i need to do a BK and he could get rid of the lien and can get me the 25k and the car as well as clean all debt! cost me 2k in all but who cares, i was getting 25k and a free saleen. a saleen with issues but who cares. (funny thing was it was the alternator the whole time)
I dont get how you were able to clear a lein on a car that really isn't yours (FOMOCO's) and get $25k?
BUT of coarse i spent that 23k not knowing ford credit would try and hold the title being the only thing they can legally charge me for with the BK. they wanted 15k for it and not needing to sell it at the time i didn't care and said keep it.
WTF?? ford had the title of you car and you told them to keep it becasue you didnt need to sell it yet? Thats the dumbest thing Ive heard. They car isn't yours then if it is in Ford's name
then like 2 or 3 years ago i was living in a house that the owner was not paying on and was loosing. i also had a break in and lost quite a bit so double whammy there. so i had to list my car for sale and then had david hit me up wanting just my lights. not really wanting to part my car out i said maybe if i could find ones i liked online to upgrade them. i did and found some cool dual cat eye lights so i said ok and decided to use my green dot card because its free and fast so why not?
so you listed your car for sale without the title in your hand or in your name? Go to the other thread on here for PROOF that you received my money.
well i never got the 300 added to my card so didn't send any lights to david. he came on here and told his story making me out to be a dick 6 months before i even got a chance to give my side. heck i even allowed david to log on and look at my account but that still was not enough. i finally gave up trying to defend myself on here and stopped coming on.
again, read other thread. I logged onto your account and the time period when I transferred you the money was deleted
THEN i found a guy wanting to buy it on craigslist. i either wanted a full price for it so i could send ford the 15k to get the title for the buyer or to do a payment plan which is a risk but ok for the right person. this car is very hard to finance since the credit unions won't add in the extra for the saleen package, just the gt part. so my buyers are limited to just those with all cash in hand or those willing to put $ down and payments.
Not sure who would ever agree to that but that looks like the definition of a SCAM to me. You wanted someone to make payments to you without giving them the car or title?
You were also selling the car for a cheap price too. Cheap price, no car, no title, direct payments = SCAM
we came to a deal where its 5k down, non refundable, since i was needing that to secure my new truck so i had something to drive. i also used some to cover my move. then he was to pay 600 a month for 3-4 months on time by the 5th. first payment was on time and so was the second payment but then the 3rd was late, 4th never came which he blamed his work for. then he told me he couldn't afford the insurance rate. i use farmers because they cover a saleen for my window sticker price of 55k and not just a gt with the 5k bump for additional coverage. i told him all the numbers from the start and he said he could afford it then but not now?
So the guy gave you a non refundable deposit of $5k for a car you didn't own and that you wern't going to give him for 4 months? This all may be true for the buyer but thats a dumb idea and a SCAM to begin with.
so after like 4 months of this back and fourth headache he said he just can't afford it and wanted all his money back. i told him from the get go that for me to take it off the market and to trust him with payments i need a non refundable 5k deposit which he also knew i was using to get my truck and a move. so that couldn't be refunded and wouldn't due to him now figuring out his finances and that he can't afford it after 4 months. i sent an email confirmation to him with all this and he agreed to it before we started so not my fault there.
=SCAMed him out of $5k.
i told him i would have to sell it to be able to get him back his payments and was going to try it on ebay and when it sells i will get him his payments back.
so i listed it on ebay and i NOTED that i was only selling to US buyers because the title will take time to get since i had to deal with greedy ford credit. so then comes the guy from canada who's name i forget, sorry its been a few years. he buys it now for 22k which puts me in a bind since i cant give him the car due to it having to leave the US and you need a title for that. so he had to wait for me to send my lawyer the money to deal with ford credit which would take time. then to top it off ford credit found out it was on ebay and what i got for it and wanted more for the title. THEN to even make things more complicated the buyer got impatient, which i don't blame him for, and he reversed the purchase with ebay and paypal refunded him.
Why would you go forward with the deal if hes not in the US and you suposedly stated you would not sell outside the US? Then dont go forward with the deal. Why would that put you in a bind?
in return i had to then have my lawyer recover the money from ford to give paypal since i now owe them the money! = cluster ****
WTF? Why do you owe paypal money? So your lawyer magically got money from ford to pay some of your debts? I should have my lawyer recover some money as well.
that was a pain in the *** process and my lawyer just said to re-list it so he can continue with getting the title. he said to use the money from the next sale to pay back pay pal so thats what i did. BUT the guy from canada told ebay it was back listed and to remove it and they did = bigger cluster ****
Why would you relist it if you already sold it to a guy in Canada? WTF were you expecting to do? Get paid twice so you could get the title? Your lawyer must be an idiot if he told you to do that. It was relisted if you already sold it. Did the Canadian dude give you money or a down payment?
are you guys bored yet of reading this? shall i go on?
hokay
so i now have david and the guy from canada on here badmouthing me when they have no idea what i was going through and why i was listing this car up.
You scammed both of us out of our money. I still do not have my $300 and I know of at least 2 police reports out on you. You probably shouldn't go back to Lincoln, CA
i was trying to deal with ford credit, my lawyer, pay pay pal, and to pay the guy back his payments on top of trying to defend myself on here with david.
not fun when people look up info on my car and find bad info on here, you guys made it impossible to sell really... not your fault though since you didn't know the full story i guess
you should have never scammed me out of $300 and if you wanted to sell your car you should have sold it out right. if someone wants to make payments, direct them to the local bank to get a loan. you were SCAMMING them by offering payments and not refunding them. Whether that was your intention or not, you were.
since then i did a deal with a guy who put money down on it and then took off with it and i have been trying to track him down for a while now.
WHY THE F*** would you make this deal again? Cuz you want to scam them again? Looks like it backfired. Or maybe you are tring to claim insurance money this time? Did you collect?
i did spot it and was going to snag it and had a guy set up to buy it but that fell through and he was refunded in full since i had the money to do so.
WTF!!!! You spotted your stolen car and "was going to snag it"? WTF??? did you "snag" it? Then you wanted to sell your stolen car AGAIN????????
this car has been a nightmare from the get go and i just want it back so i can attempt to sell it to someone who can just pay full asking price so i can pay everything back and be DONE WITH IT ALLLLLLLL
that is all, seriously.... thats it.... believe me or don't i really don't care
my lawyer was still battling it out with ford credit and said f that like 2 years ago. he handled pay pal so they are off my back since there was nothing i could do about it.
car still out in the wind and looking for it : (
so you never snagged it?????????
i know you guys will prob. think its what i get and deserve but really i was dealing with so much crap and trying to make everyone happy that it just got all out of control. sorry is all i can say really, david i don't have and never had your 300, believe me or don't i really don't care man
thats all she wrote everyone, if you want the full in person story come out to kansas and we can chat about it : ) LOL im kicking it with Dorothy and toto
ok this is getting old, really "captain underpants"
so can you tell us who "captain underpants" is? Its funny how your writing style is exactly the same under each username. At least try to change it up a bit.
this is the only response your all going to get to all this because i have no patience for all this crap.
full explanation
2006 bought a saleen s281sc #476 for myself for my bday
car had electrical issues and every other recall there was, gas tank, hood brackets, seat belts, ect ect from the start!
ok, so, you should have gotten it fixed. if its a new car there should be no problem getting these things fixed under warranty
ford couldn't fix the electrical spike issue so i started a lemon law case against them. 1 year went by and nothing got resolved and yet i was paying $786 monthly payments on a car that ran half the time.
lemon laws qualify if you had to take the car to the dealer at least 4 times to fix the same issue. I find it hard to believe that Ford couldnt fix an alternator issues in 4 different times. If it was an electrical issue they have equipment that can check the whole system for faults. if there was a problem I am not sure why you would jump on a lemon law so quickly over a simple fix.
how would a car run half the time with an electrical issue? How many miles are on your car? I remember seeing 60k+ somewhere. How did you get that many miles out of your car with electrical problems?
second year i stopped paying and ford credit got mad but hey i signed for a car that was brand new which shouldn't have these issues so shove it. finally ford motor company offered me $25,000 to accept the issue and go away yet ford credit put a 54k lien on me and the lemon law lawyers were idiots and did nothing so they were fired.
"stopped paying ford credit because you got mad"? great idea. I wonder how your credit is. I somtimes get mad I have to pay rent so sometimes I tell my landlord to "shove it".
Ford gave you $25k to "accept the issue"? what issue? Why would Ford give you money, then put a $54k lean on your car? They should either buyback the car or not under the lemon law. I dont understand you you were able to receive $25k and keep your car.
i hired a new lawyer who said i need to do a BK and he could get rid of the lien and can get me the 25k and the car as well as clean all debt! cost me 2k in all but who cares, i was getting 25k and a free saleen. a saleen with issues but who cares. (funny thing was it was the alternator the whole time)
I dont get how you were able to clear a lein on a car that really isn't yours (FOMOCO's) and get $25k?
BUT of coarse i spent that 23k not knowing ford credit would try and hold the title being the only thing they can legally charge me for with the BK. they wanted 15k for it and not needing to sell it at the time i didn't care and said keep it.
WTF?? ford had the title of you car and you told them to keep it becasue you didnt need to sell it yet? Thats the dumbest thing Ive heard. They car isn't yours then if it is in Ford's name
then like 2 or 3 years ago i was living in a house that the owner was not paying on and was loosing. i also had a break in and lost quite a bit so double whammy there. so i had to list my car for sale and then had david hit me up wanting just my lights. not really wanting to part my car out i said maybe if i could find ones i liked online to upgrade them. i did and found some cool dual cat eye lights so i said ok and decided to use my green dot card because its free and fast so why not?
so you listed your car for sale without the title in your hand or in your name? Go to the other thread on here for PROOF that you received my money.
well i never got the 300 added to my card so didn't send any lights to david. he came on here and told his story making me out to be a dick 6 months before i even got a chance to give my side. heck i even allowed david to log on and look at my account but that still was not enough. i finally gave up trying to defend myself on here and stopped coming on.
again, read other thread. I logged onto your account and the time period when I transferred you the money was deleted
THEN i found a guy wanting to buy it on craigslist. i either wanted a full price for it so i could send ford the 15k to get the title for the buyer or to do a payment plan which is a risk but ok for the right person. this car is very hard to finance since the credit unions won't add in the extra for the saleen package, just the gt part. so my buyers are limited to just those with all cash in hand or those willing to put $ down and payments.
Not sure who would ever agree to that but that looks like the definition of a SCAM to me. You wanted someone to make payments to you without giving them the car or title?
You were also selling the car for a cheap price too. Cheap price, no car, no title, direct payments = SCAM
we came to a deal where its 5k down, non refundable, since i was needing that to secure my new truck so i had something to drive. i also used some to cover my move. then he was to pay 600 a month for 3-4 months on time by the 5th. first payment was on time and so was the second payment but then the 3rd was late, 4th never came which he blamed his work for. then he told me he couldn't afford the insurance rate. i use farmers because they cover a saleen for my window sticker price of 55k and not just a gt with the 5k bump for additional coverage. i told him all the numbers from the start and he said he could afford it then but not now?
So the guy gave you a non refundable deposit of $5k for a car you didn't own and that you wern't going to give him for 4 months? This all may be true for the buyer but thats a dumb idea and a SCAM to begin with.
so after like 4 months of this back and fourth headache he said he just can't afford it and wanted all his money back. i told him from the get go that for me to take it off the market and to trust him with payments i need a non refundable 5k deposit which he also knew i was using to get my truck and a move. so that couldn't be refunded and wouldn't due to him now figuring out his finances and that he can't afford it after 4 months. i sent an email confirmation to him with all this and he agreed to it before we started so not my fault there.
=SCAMed him out of $5k.
i told him i would have to sell it to be able to get him back his payments and was going to try it on ebay and when it sells i will get him his payments back.
so i listed it on ebay and i NOTED that i was only selling to US buyers because the title will take time to get since i had to deal with greedy ford credit. so then comes the guy from canada who's name i forget, sorry its been a few years. he buys it now for 22k which puts me in a bind since i cant give him the car due to it having to leave the US and you need a title for that. so he had to wait for me to send my lawyer the money to deal with ford credit which would take time. then to top it off ford credit found out it was on ebay and what i got for it and wanted more for the title. THEN to even make things more complicated the buyer got impatient, which i don't blame him for, and he reversed the purchase with ebay and paypal refunded him.
Why would you go forward with the deal if hes not in the US and you suposedly stated you would not sell outside the US? Then dont go forward with the deal. Why would that put you in a bind?
in return i had to then have my lawyer recover the money from ford to give paypal since i now owe them the money! = cluster ****
WTF? Why do you owe paypal money? So your lawyer magically got money from ford to pay some of your debts? I should have my lawyer recover some money as well.
that was a pain in the *** process and my lawyer just said to re-list it so he can continue with getting the title. he said to use the money from the next sale to pay back pay pal so thats what i did. BUT the guy from canada told ebay it was back listed and to remove it and they did = bigger cluster ****
Why would you relist it if you already sold it to a guy in Canada? WTF were you expecting to do? Get paid twice so you could get the title? Your lawyer must be an idiot if he told you to do that. It was relisted if you already sold it. Did the Canadian dude give you money or a down payment?
are you guys bored yet of reading this? shall i go on?
hokay
so i now have david and the guy from canada on here badmouthing me when they have no idea what i was going through and why i was listing this car up.
You scammed both of us out of our money. I still do not have my $300 and I know of at least 2 police reports out on you. You probably shouldn't go back to Lincoln, CA
i was trying to deal with ford credit, my lawyer, pay pay pal, and to pay the guy back his payments on top of trying to defend myself on here with david.
not fun when people look up info on my car and find bad info on here, you guys made it impossible to sell really... not your fault though since you didn't know the full story i guess
you should have never scammed me out of $300 and if you wanted to sell your car you should have sold it out right. if someone wants to make payments, direct them to the local bank to get a loan. you were SCAMMING them by offering payments and not refunding them. Whether that was your intention or not, you were.
since then i did a deal with a guy who put money down on it and then took off with it and i have been trying to track him down for a while now.
WHY THE F*** would you make this deal again? Cuz you want to scam them again? Looks like it backfired. Or maybe you are tring to claim insurance money this time? Did you collect?
i did spot it and was going to snag it and had a guy set up to buy it but that fell through and he was refunded in full since i had the money to do so.
WTF!!!! You spotted your stolen car and "was going to snag it"? WTF??? did you "snag" it? Then you wanted to sell your stolen car AGAIN????????
this car has been a nightmare from the get go and i just want it back so i can attempt to sell it to someone who can just pay full asking price so i can pay everything back and be DONE WITH IT ALLLLLLLL
that is all, seriously.... thats it.... believe me or don't i really don't care
my lawyer was still battling it out with ford credit and said f that like 2 years ago. he handled pay pal so they are off my back since there was nothing i could do about it.
car still out in the wind and looking for it : (
so you never snagged it?????????
i know you guys will prob. think its what i get and deserve but really i was dealing with so much crap and trying to make everyone happy that it just got all out of control. sorry is all i can say really, david i don't have and never had your 300, believe me or don't i really don't care man
thats all she wrote everyone, if you want the full in person story come out to kansas and we can chat about it : ) LOL im kicking it with Dorothy and toto
read above ^
Last edited by david01130; 12-07-2011 at 11:34 AM.
12-07-2011, 12:09 PM
#62
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YES! I love it that he keeps coming back with a different/extended excuse every time and says he doesn't care if we believe him. Here's a hint: If you don't care...then stop coming back!
12-07-2011, 12:47 PM
#63
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Call me crazy but I have reason to believe they are all 3 the same person.
12-07-2011, 02:52 PM
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David's IP comes back to greater Los Angeles, CA, so he's legit...
12-08-2011, 09:10 AM
#67
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Haha, David got looped in with crazy kid... this thread delivers.
12-10-2011, 02:11 AM
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full explanation
2006 bought a saleen s281sc #476 for myself for my bday
car had electrical issues and every other recall there was, gas tank, hood brackets, seat belts, ect ect from the start!
- ok, so, you should have gotten it fixed. if its a new car there should be no problem getting these things fixed under warranty
- they fixed everything but the electrical spikes which they had to bring in a ford specialist for. they also had to bring him in for the gas fill issue but he approved an 07 replacement gas take for that.
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ford couldn't fix the electrical spike issue so i started a lemon law case against them. 1 year went by and nothing got resolved and yet i was paying $786 monthly payments on a car that ran half the time.
lemon laws qualify if you had to take the car to the dealer at least 4 times to fix the same issue. I find it hard to believe that Ford couldnt fix an alternator issues in 4 different times. If it was an electrical issue they have equipment that can check the whole system for faults. if there was a problem I am not sure why you would jump on a lemon law so quickly over a simple fix.
- it was in the shop almost every week trying to figure out the electrical problem. i had a stack of service reports for it so way over 4 times in the shop for that.
- they never figured out what the problem was. i found out it was the alternator much later after it went out and i replaced it with a brand new motorcraft one. 100 fix off ebay : )
- i started the lemon law case on it after getting the run around for a year with no results. everyone was scratching their heads on it and thought it may be a ground. problem there is it could have been any ground and there are a ton of them to check so they gave up i guess?
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how would a car run half the time with an electrical issue? How many miles are on your car? I remember seeing 60k+ somewhere. How did you get that many miles out of your car with electrical problems?
- it still ran but would loose power while driving and would reset everything every time it did it. also when on the freeway if i hit the gas it would lag out and then kick in for power. very annoying problem for a new 60k car!
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second year i stopped paying and ford credit got mad but hey i signed for a car that was brand new which shouldn't have these issues so shove it. finally ford motor company offered me $25,000 to accept the issue and go away yet ford credit put a 54k lien on me and the lemon law lawyers were idiots and did nothing so they were fired.
"stopped paying ford credit because you got mad"? great idea. I wonder how your credit is. I somtimes get mad I have to pay rent so sometimes I tell my landlord to "shove it".
- i was paying just under 800 a month for a car that was not running right. when you contract to buy a car this expensive you want it to run right. when ford says they can't fix it and i feel i am suppose to live with it then yes i stop paying and opened a lemon law case.
- also i was shooting for a buy back so it would reverse the whole deal and i told ford credit i was doing that and they gave me time since they knew they would get paid back if it went through. also ford takes the car back and it gets removed from my credit as if i never bought it.
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Ford gave you $25k to "accept the issue"? what issue? Why would Ford give you money, then put a $54k lean on your car? They should either buyback the car or not under the lemon law. I dont understand you you were able to receive $25k and keep your car.
- so i take it you don't understand that ford motor company and ford credit are 2 different companies david. being on a ford forum you should know that but i guess not.
- ford motor company offered me 25k to accept the problem because if it went to court they would loose and loose a lot. they would have to buy the car back, pay off the lien holder, and then pay me money i had to put out of pocket. it also would take much longer to settle if gone to court.
- ford credit put a lien on me for the remainder of my loan on the saleen because they got tired of waiting for the lemon law case to finish.
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i hired a new lawyer who said i need to do a BK and he could get rid of the lien and can get me the 25k and the car as well as clean all debt! cost me 2k in all but who cares, i was getting 25k and a free saleen. a saleen with issues but who cares. (funny thing was it was the alternator the whole time)
I dont get how you were able to clear a lein on a car that really isn't yours (FOMOCO's) and get $25k?
- i did a chapter 7 which also entitles me to keep "start over cash" which that 25k was and also keep a vehicle which the saleen was. everything i owed on the car was included so they couldn't come after me or the car according to bankruptcy laws. look it up man, i have a great lawyer!
- its still registered to me and at this time i thought i was getting the title sent out since i don't owe on the loan anymore and they can't take the car from me. why would they keep the title if they don't have a car to go with it?
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BUT of coarse i spent that 23k not knowing ford credit would try and hold the title being the only thing they can legally charge me for with the BK. they wanted 15k for it and not needing to sell it at the time i didn't care and said keep it.
WTF?? ford had the title of you car and you told them to keep it becasue you didnt need to sell it yet? Thats the dumbest thing Ive heard. They car isn't yours then if it is in Ford's name
- this is what i didn't know. after a few months of waiting for the title i called my lawyer and asked why i haven't gotten the title yet. he said he would look into it and call me back. well he called me and said that legally that is the one thing they can charge me for since they know i need that to sell it.
- they wanted 15k to release it and at that time i didn't need nor want to sell it so i didn't care.
- if i knew this when i had the 23k i would have had my lawyer negotiate for it but I didn't
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then like 2 or 3 years ago i was living in a house that the owner was not paying on and was loosing. i also had a break in and lost quite a bit so double whammy there. so i had to list my car for sale and then had david hit me up wanting just my lights. not really wanting to part my car out i said maybe if i could find ones i liked online to upgrade them. i did and found some cool dual cat eye lights so i said ok and decided to use my green dot card because its free and fast so why not?
so you listed your car for sale without the title in your hand or in your name? Go to the other thread on here for PROOF that you received my money.
- yes 15k of that sales price was going to my lawyer to get the title and the rest was mine
- i listed that in my ads
- i don't have your 300 david and tired of you saying i do. i allowed you to even go onto my online green dot account and look for yourself. i didn't know about the thread you started for a while and once i did you had quite a bit of time to make me out to be some scammer on here which i am not.
- i don't even use green dot anymore because they lost MY money too. google green dot and you will see we aren't the only ones being screwed by this company. heck a few others pointed that out to you last time if i remember right.
- if you want that old card number to research again i am more then happy to give it to you so you can do with it what you want. call them as much as your little heart desires man
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well i never got the 300 added to my card so didn't send any lights to david. he came on here and told his story making me out to be a dick 6 months before i even got a chance to give my side. heck i even allowed david to log on and look at my account but that still was not enough. i finally gave up trying to defend myself on here and stopped coming on.
again, read other thread. I logged onto your account and the time period when I transferred you the money was deleted
- WOW david now you really need to think about what your saying here....i deleted records from an online account service! really
- thats like going to an online wells fargo account and saying "well i don't like those charges so i am going to hit delete on my trusty keyboard here and get rid of them" yea not happening man
- if you remember correctly, which you don't i guess, you said you couldn't go back far enough to view it so i told you i would request the records which i did but never got them. you also said you requested them to be mailed out to you but never got them. typical green dot customer service!
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THEN i found a guy wanting to buy it on craigslist. i either wanted a full price for it so i could send ford the 15k to get the title for the buyer or to do a payment plan which is a risk but ok for the right person. this car is very hard to finance since the credit unions won't add in the extra for the saleen package, just the gt part. so my buyers are limited to just those with all cash in hand or those willing to put $ down and payments.
Not sure who would ever agree to that but that looks like the definition of a SCAM to me. You wanted someone to make payments to you without giving them the car or title?
- is everything that confuses you or that you don't agree with a scam?
- anyways i lined the deal up for the guy before anything was exchanged. he was told the down was non refundable and was going towards my down for my truck and for a move. he also agreed to the payments and the insurance being farmers and full coverage adding him to my policy. his payment agreement didn't follow through, he blamed his work for that. then he said he couldn't afford the payments nor the insurance and wanted to back of the deal 4 months later!
- total waste of my time and i told him i would have to sell it to get his payments back but as agreed to in the contract the deposit is non refundable and was already used. i could have waited and prob. sold it within those 4 months.
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You were also selling the car for a cheap price too. Cheap price, no car, no title, direct payments = SCAM
- i was asking just bellow low nada book price of 28k and saleen's at the time like mine were not selling for book or close to it if used. saleen prices took a hit at that time for some reason. either because steve saleen left saleen or just because of the economy, i don't know?
- i offered a payment deal but wanted to sell it for full asking to be done with it but as normal on craigslist i got many low ball offers and stupid trade offers.
- do you think your saleen is worth more then low to mid 20's? try selling it and see what you get david or go on ebay and check out completed listings for used saleen's.
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we came to a deal where its 5k down, non refundable, since i was needing that to secure my new truck so i had something to drive. i also used some to cover my move. then he was to pay 600 a month for 3-4 months on time by the 5th. first payment was on time and so was the second payment but then the 3rd was late, 4th never came which he blamed his work for. then he told me he couldn't afford the insurance rate. i use farmers because they cover a saleen for my window sticker price of 55k and not just a gt with the 5k bump for additional coverage. i told him all the numbers from the start and he said he could afford it then but not now?
So the guy gave you a non refundable deposit of $5k for a car you didn't own and that you wern't going to give him for 4 months? This all may be true for the buyer but thats a dumb idea and a SCAM to begin with.
- i answered this above and this guy did a contract with me and its over with so why are you bringing it up here when it doesn't concern you?
- the guy got in over his head and is lucky i wasn't a bank who would repo the car, auction it putting him on the hook for balance of the loan minus what it bought in the auction. then they would ruin his credit so he could never finance a car again.
- i am sure he knows now to be ready financially before buying an expensive car. hell i set his payments LOW and down LOW and interest LOW with ability to buy out right early. it was a killer deal for him which he screwed up.
- honestly i should of just posted it for sale on here to begin with, at least if someone did payments and took off with it then everyone knows who it is and where he prob. is. also prob would have sold for full asking price on here since i see some sweet cars on this site!
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so after like 4 months of this back and fourth headache he said he just can't afford it and wanted all his money back. i told him from the get go that for me to take it off the market and to trust him with payments i need a non refundable 5k deposit which he also knew i was using to get my truck and a move. so that couldn't be refunded and wouldn't due to him now figuring out his finances and that he can't afford it after 4 months. i sent an email confirmation to him with all this and he agreed to it before we started so not my fault there.
=SCAMed him out of $5k.
- dam david how many times do i need to go over this, he did a contract stating all this and i told him it was non refundable and what i was to use it for!
- its like going out to eat, you read the menu and then order, eat, and then at the end you say oh sorry i didn't know that was the price of the meal when it was listed right in front of you. you got way to hungry for food and were blind to everything else that matters in the end.
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i told him i would have to sell it to be able to get him back his payments and was going to try it on ebay and when it sells i will get him his payments back.
so i listed it on ebay and i NOTED that i was only selling to US buyers because the title will take time to get since i had to deal with greedy ford credit. so then comes the guy from canada who's name i forget, sorry its been a few years. he buys it now for 22k which puts me in a bind since i cant give him the car due to it having to leave the US and you need a title for that. so he had to wait for me to send my lawyer the money to deal with ford credit which would take time. then to top it off ford credit found out it was on ebay and what i got for it and wanted more for the title. THEN to even make things more complicated the buyer got impatient, which i don't blame him for, and he reversed the purchase with ebay and paypal refunded him.
Why would you go forward with the deal if hes not in the US and you suposedly stated you would not sell outside the US? Then dont go forward with the deal. Why would that put you in a bind?
- he did the buy it now option even when i stated US buyers only
- i told him the situation with the title and why i was wanting a US buyer which was so that they could take the car and use it while we waited for my lawyer to negotiate the title for him.
- he said he would wait
- ford credit found out i had it on ebay and also what i sold it for so they knew they could ask for more which is why it took longer then expected.
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in return i had to then have my lawyer recover the money from ford to give paypal since i now owe them the money! = cluster ****
WTF? Why do you owe paypal money? So your lawyer magically got money from ford to pay some of your debts? I should have my lawyer recover some money as well.
- the buyer got tired of waiting and opened a claim against the ebay purchase and paypal handled the 22k transfer so i owed paypal the 22k. why is this hard to understand? i take it you don't use ebay
-my lawyer got wired the 22k from me from the deal to use to get the title for the buyer but he backed out so i had to reverse the deal now to cover the refund to paypal.
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that was a pain in the *** process and my lawyer just said to re-list it so he can continue with getting the title. he said to use the money from the next sale to pay back pay pal so thats what i did. BUT the guy from canada told ebay it was back listed and to remove it and they did = bigger cluster ****
Why would you relist it if you already sold it to a guy in Canada? WTF were you expecting to do? Get paid twice so you could get the title? Your lawyer must be an idiot if he told you to do that. It was relisted if you already sold it. Did the Canadian dude give you money or a down payment?
- since the guy in canada backed out of the deal and opened a claim on it with paypal who paid him back his 22k i then had to get it back from my lawyer to send to paypal
- my lawyer already was negotiating with it with ford credit for the title and said to just relist it and the money from the next buyer can go to paypal and he can continue getting the title for the new buyer.
- he said it would be a pain to tell ford credit the deal got canceled and that he needs the cash back and to keep the title. they prob. wouldn't believe him or would drag the refund out or title exchange.
- when i re-listed it ebay flagged it down so that made things even worse when i was just trying to get the dam thing sold and gone!
are you guys bored yet of reading this? shall i go on?
hokay
so i now have david and the guy from canada on here badmouthing me when they have no idea what i was going through and why i was listing this car up.
You scammed both of us out of our money. I still do not have my $300 and I know of at least 2 police reports out on you. You probably shouldn't go back to Lincoln, CA
- i scammed nobody out of money david
- lol and i know exactly what 2 reports those are and they were made by me. i have a clean record and never been charged with ANYTHING detective dave
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i was trying to deal with ford credit, my lawyer, pay pay pal, and to pay the guy back his payments on top of trying to defend myself on here with david.
not fun when people look up info on my car and find bad info on here, you guys made it impossible to sell really... not your fault though since you didn't know the full story i guess
you should have never scammed me out of $300 and if you wanted to sell your car you should have sold it out right. if someone wants to make payments, direct them to the local bank to get a loan. you were SCAMMING them by offering payments and not refunding them. Whether that was your intention or not, you were.
- did you read anything on here that i said because i went over this already
- you say you have proof that i took your so called money but all you have stated so far is that you think i magically deleted an online payment record from an online account!
- i didn't know i was such a hacker - look out oceans 11 here i come LOL
- to reiterate what i said already: i would have loved to sell it for full asking price but finding someone in the US with all the money to just buy it was hard. its also very hard to finance any car with an expensive aftermarket package on it like saleen, roush, or steeda. banks go off kelly blue book and whatever is listed there is what they will cover, maybe an added few grand but not 20k which these cars have in extras!
- would put it back on ebay but the guy from canada blocked it from going back on there
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since then i did a deal with a guy who put money down on it and then took off with it and i have been trying to track him down for a while now.
WHY THE F*** would you make this deal again? Cuz you want to scam them again? Looks like it backfired. Or maybe you are tring to claim insurance money this time? Did you collect?
- i had a lot of info on him and he seemed legit, i guess i trusted him too much?
- no david i didn't get any insurance on my car. if i did i would buy a new GT and wouldn't care
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i did spot it and was going to snag it and had a guy set up to buy it but that fell through and he was refunded in full since i had the money to do so.
WTF!!!! You spotted your stolen car and "was going to snag it"? WTF??? did you "snag" it? Then you wanted to sell your stolen car AGAIN????????
- i tracked it to the guys house but it was in the garage and he just got home and closed it before i could do anything.
- i got a report the guy was moving and on moving day i caught the garage open but the moving truck was in the way and there were many people there. also when i got a closer look i saw the front right wheel and tire was off the car so it wasn't going to be driven out.
- since then, 4 months, this guy has moved twice
- i had a guy wanting to buy it but i told him i couldn't recover it so couldn't do the deal. that was reversed and i am still trying to recover it.
I AM ALSO OFFERING A REWARD FOR ANY HELP IN RECOVERING IT
HEY DAVID WANT TO MAKE $300 LOL SORRY MAN I HAD TO THROW THAT OUT THERE
BUT REALLY I AM OFFERING A NICE REWARD FOR ANY HELP IF ANYONE IN THE CITRUS HEIGHTS AREA IN SACRAMENTO SPOTS IT FOR ME. I HAVE A REPO COMPANY OUT THERE WHO I CAN CALL 247 TO PICK IT UP FOR ME, THEY KNOW THE SITUATION WITH THE CAR.
LET ME KNOW, MAKE SOME CASH : )
this car has been a nightmare from the get go and i just want it back so i can attempt to sell it to someone who can just pay full asking price so i can pay everything back and be DONE WITH IT ALLLLLLLL
that is all, seriously.... thats it.... believe me or don't i really don't care
car still out in the wind and looking for it : (
so you never snagged it?????????
- ANSWERED ABOVE
i know you guys will prob. think its what i get and deserve but really i was dealing with so much crap and trying to make everyone happy that it just got all out of control. sorry is all i can say really, david i don't have and never had your 300, believe me or don't i really don't care man
THE PAST 3 YEARS HAVE BEEN A NIGHTMARE
ON TOP OF TRYING TO DEAL WITH THIS CAR AND TRYING TO SELL IT I HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH TWO PLACES WHERE THE HOMEOWNER'S LOST THEIR HOUSE'S FORCING US TO MOVE. ONE HOMEOWNER TRIED GETTING FULL RENT AFTER WE FOUND OUT HE WASN'T PAYING THE BANK AND AFTER THEY LISTED IT FOR SALE. HE ALSO CAME IN AND TOOK THE APPLIANCES WHILE WE WERE LIVING THERE SO THAT SUCKED. (POLICE REPORT TAKEN THERE) THEN SOMEONE BROKE IN AND STOLE A BUNCH OF STUFF WHILE AT THAT SAME HOUSE! (SECOND POLICE REPORT SO THERES THE TWO DETECTIVE DAVID MENTIONED)
THEN AFTER WE MOVED THAT HOMEOWNER ASSURED US HE WASN'T IN THE SAME SITUATION AS THE LAST HOMEOWNER WE DEALT WITH. BUT LOW AND BEHOLD THE FIRST MONTH THE BANK SHOWS UP WONDERING WHY THEY AREN'T GETTING PAID AND IF THE HOUSE IS OCCUPIED. SO AFTER 4 MONTHS THERE THE BANK TOOK THAT HOUSE SO WE HAD TO MOVE AGAIN.
THEN RECENTLY THE OWNER OF THE 3RD HOUSE WE WERE LIVING IN DECIDED TO SELL IT SO HAD TO MOVE YET AGAIN SO ITS BEEN A FUN TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH NO CAR RIGHT NOW!
SO THE ONE THING THAT WOULD REALLY HELP OUT IS IF I CAN RECOVER MY SALEEN. HECK IF SOMEONE HELPS ME FIND IT BEFORE XMAS THEN IT WOULD BENEFIT BOTH OF US, YOU GET $$$ FOR XMAX AND I GET MY CAR BACK.
THIS IS THE LAST TIME I TRY AND DEFEND WHAT I SAY ON HERE SO SERIOUSLY DAVID IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO TEAR EVERYTHING APART, AGAIN, THEN BY ALL MEANS GO AHEAD
THESE EXPLANATIONS ARE FOR EVERYONE ELSE ANYWAYS TO SHOW I AM NOT A SCAMMER NOR OUT TO SCREW ANYONE OVER. I AM A NORMAL GUY WITH VERY S*$Y LUCK. THIS SALEEN IS CURSED I SWEAR BUT I DO WANT IT BACK NONE THE LESS
MERRY XMAS GUYS
2006 bought a saleen s281sc #476 for myself for my bday
car had electrical issues and every other recall there was, gas tank, hood brackets, seat belts, ect ect from the start!
- ok, so, you should have gotten it fixed. if its a new car there should be no problem getting these things fixed under warranty
- they fixed everything but the electrical spikes which they had to bring in a ford specialist for. they also had to bring him in for the gas fill issue but he approved an 07 replacement gas take for that.
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ford couldn't fix the electrical spike issue so i started a lemon law case against them. 1 year went by and nothing got resolved and yet i was paying $786 monthly payments on a car that ran half the time.
lemon laws qualify if you had to take the car to the dealer at least 4 times to fix the same issue. I find it hard to believe that Ford couldnt fix an alternator issues in 4 different times. If it was an electrical issue they have equipment that can check the whole system for faults. if there was a problem I am not sure why you would jump on a lemon law so quickly over a simple fix.
- it was in the shop almost every week trying to figure out the electrical problem. i had a stack of service reports for it so way over 4 times in the shop for that.
- they never figured out what the problem was. i found out it was the alternator much later after it went out and i replaced it with a brand new motorcraft one. 100 fix off ebay : )
- i started the lemon law case on it after getting the run around for a year with no results. everyone was scratching their heads on it and thought it may be a ground. problem there is it could have been any ground and there are a ton of them to check so they gave up i guess?
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how would a car run half the time with an electrical issue? How many miles are on your car? I remember seeing 60k+ somewhere. How did you get that many miles out of your car with electrical problems?
- it still ran but would loose power while driving and would reset everything every time it did it. also when on the freeway if i hit the gas it would lag out and then kick in for power. very annoying problem for a new 60k car!
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second year i stopped paying and ford credit got mad but hey i signed for a car that was brand new which shouldn't have these issues so shove it. finally ford motor company offered me $25,000 to accept the issue and go away yet ford credit put a 54k lien on me and the lemon law lawyers were idiots and did nothing so they were fired.
"stopped paying ford credit because you got mad"? great idea. I wonder how your credit is. I somtimes get mad I have to pay rent so sometimes I tell my landlord to "shove it".
- i was paying just under 800 a month for a car that was not running right. when you contract to buy a car this expensive you want it to run right. when ford says they can't fix it and i feel i am suppose to live with it then yes i stop paying and opened a lemon law case.
- also i was shooting for a buy back so it would reverse the whole deal and i told ford credit i was doing that and they gave me time since they knew they would get paid back if it went through. also ford takes the car back and it gets removed from my credit as if i never bought it.
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Ford gave you $25k to "accept the issue"? what issue? Why would Ford give you money, then put a $54k lean on your car? They should either buyback the car or not under the lemon law. I dont understand you you were able to receive $25k and keep your car.
- so i take it you don't understand that ford motor company and ford credit are 2 different companies david. being on a ford forum you should know that but i guess not.
- ford motor company offered me 25k to accept the problem because if it went to court they would loose and loose a lot. they would have to buy the car back, pay off the lien holder, and then pay me money i had to put out of pocket. it also would take much longer to settle if gone to court.
- ford credit put a lien on me for the remainder of my loan on the saleen because they got tired of waiting for the lemon law case to finish.
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i hired a new lawyer who said i need to do a BK and he could get rid of the lien and can get me the 25k and the car as well as clean all debt! cost me 2k in all but who cares, i was getting 25k and a free saleen. a saleen with issues but who cares. (funny thing was it was the alternator the whole time)
I dont get how you were able to clear a lein on a car that really isn't yours (FOMOCO's) and get $25k?
- i did a chapter 7 which also entitles me to keep "start over cash" which that 25k was and also keep a vehicle which the saleen was. everything i owed on the car was included so they couldn't come after me or the car according to bankruptcy laws. look it up man, i have a great lawyer!
- its still registered to me and at this time i thought i was getting the title sent out since i don't owe on the loan anymore and they can't take the car from me. why would they keep the title if they don't have a car to go with it?
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BUT of coarse i spent that 23k not knowing ford credit would try and hold the title being the only thing they can legally charge me for with the BK. they wanted 15k for it and not needing to sell it at the time i didn't care and said keep it.
WTF?? ford had the title of you car and you told them to keep it becasue you didnt need to sell it yet? Thats the dumbest thing Ive heard. They car isn't yours then if it is in Ford's name
- this is what i didn't know. after a few months of waiting for the title i called my lawyer and asked why i haven't gotten the title yet. he said he would look into it and call me back. well he called me and said that legally that is the one thing they can charge me for since they know i need that to sell it.
- they wanted 15k to release it and at that time i didn't need nor want to sell it so i didn't care.
- if i knew this when i had the 23k i would have had my lawyer negotiate for it but I didn't
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then like 2 or 3 years ago i was living in a house that the owner was not paying on and was loosing. i also had a break in and lost quite a bit so double whammy there. so i had to list my car for sale and then had david hit me up wanting just my lights. not really wanting to part my car out i said maybe if i could find ones i liked online to upgrade them. i did and found some cool dual cat eye lights so i said ok and decided to use my green dot card because its free and fast so why not?
so you listed your car for sale without the title in your hand or in your name? Go to the other thread on here for PROOF that you received my money.
- yes 15k of that sales price was going to my lawyer to get the title and the rest was mine
- i listed that in my ads
- i don't have your 300 david and tired of you saying i do. i allowed you to even go onto my online green dot account and look for yourself. i didn't know about the thread you started for a while and once i did you had quite a bit of time to make me out to be some scammer on here which i am not.
- i don't even use green dot anymore because they lost MY money too. google green dot and you will see we aren't the only ones being screwed by this company. heck a few others pointed that out to you last time if i remember right.
- if you want that old card number to research again i am more then happy to give it to you so you can do with it what you want. call them as much as your little heart desires man
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well i never got the 300 added to my card so didn't send any lights to david. he came on here and told his story making me out to be a dick 6 months before i even got a chance to give my side. heck i even allowed david to log on and look at my account but that still was not enough. i finally gave up trying to defend myself on here and stopped coming on.
again, read other thread. I logged onto your account and the time period when I transferred you the money was deleted
- WOW david now you really need to think about what your saying here....i deleted records from an online account service! really
- thats like going to an online wells fargo account and saying "well i don't like those charges so i am going to hit delete on my trusty keyboard here and get rid of them" yea not happening man
- if you remember correctly, which you don't i guess, you said you couldn't go back far enough to view it so i told you i would request the records which i did but never got them. you also said you requested them to be mailed out to you but never got them. typical green dot customer service!
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THEN i found a guy wanting to buy it on craigslist. i either wanted a full price for it so i could send ford the 15k to get the title for the buyer or to do a payment plan which is a risk but ok for the right person. this car is very hard to finance since the credit unions won't add in the extra for the saleen package, just the gt part. so my buyers are limited to just those with all cash in hand or those willing to put $ down and payments.
Not sure who would ever agree to that but that looks like the definition of a SCAM to me. You wanted someone to make payments to you without giving them the car or title?
- is everything that confuses you or that you don't agree with a scam?
- anyways i lined the deal up for the guy before anything was exchanged. he was told the down was non refundable and was going towards my down for my truck and for a move. he also agreed to the payments and the insurance being farmers and full coverage adding him to my policy. his payment agreement didn't follow through, he blamed his work for that. then he said he couldn't afford the payments nor the insurance and wanted to back of the deal 4 months later!
- total waste of my time and i told him i would have to sell it to get his payments back but as agreed to in the contract the deposit is non refundable and was already used. i could have waited and prob. sold it within those 4 months.
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You were also selling the car for a cheap price too. Cheap price, no car, no title, direct payments = SCAM
- i was asking just bellow low nada book price of 28k and saleen's at the time like mine were not selling for book or close to it if used. saleen prices took a hit at that time for some reason. either because steve saleen left saleen or just because of the economy, i don't know?
- i offered a payment deal but wanted to sell it for full asking to be done with it but as normal on craigslist i got many low ball offers and stupid trade offers.
- do you think your saleen is worth more then low to mid 20's? try selling it and see what you get david or go on ebay and check out completed listings for used saleen's.
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we came to a deal where its 5k down, non refundable, since i was needing that to secure my new truck so i had something to drive. i also used some to cover my move. then he was to pay 600 a month for 3-4 months on time by the 5th. first payment was on time and so was the second payment but then the 3rd was late, 4th never came which he blamed his work for. then he told me he couldn't afford the insurance rate. i use farmers because they cover a saleen for my window sticker price of 55k and not just a gt with the 5k bump for additional coverage. i told him all the numbers from the start and he said he could afford it then but not now?
So the guy gave you a non refundable deposit of $5k for a car you didn't own and that you wern't going to give him for 4 months? This all may be true for the buyer but thats a dumb idea and a SCAM to begin with.
- i answered this above and this guy did a contract with me and its over with so why are you bringing it up here when it doesn't concern you?
- the guy got in over his head and is lucky i wasn't a bank who would repo the car, auction it putting him on the hook for balance of the loan minus what it bought in the auction. then they would ruin his credit so he could never finance a car again.
- i am sure he knows now to be ready financially before buying an expensive car. hell i set his payments LOW and down LOW and interest LOW with ability to buy out right early. it was a killer deal for him which he screwed up.
- honestly i should of just posted it for sale on here to begin with, at least if someone did payments and took off with it then everyone knows who it is and where he prob. is. also prob would have sold for full asking price on here since i see some sweet cars on this site!
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so after like 4 months of this back and fourth headache he said he just can't afford it and wanted all his money back. i told him from the get go that for me to take it off the market and to trust him with payments i need a non refundable 5k deposit which he also knew i was using to get my truck and a move. so that couldn't be refunded and wouldn't due to him now figuring out his finances and that he can't afford it after 4 months. i sent an email confirmation to him with all this and he agreed to it before we started so not my fault there.
=SCAMed him out of $5k.
- dam david how many times do i need to go over this, he did a contract stating all this and i told him it was non refundable and what i was to use it for!
- its like going out to eat, you read the menu and then order, eat, and then at the end you say oh sorry i didn't know that was the price of the meal when it was listed right in front of you. you got way to hungry for food and were blind to everything else that matters in the end.
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i told him i would have to sell it to be able to get him back his payments and was going to try it on ebay and when it sells i will get him his payments back.
so i listed it on ebay and i NOTED that i was only selling to US buyers because the title will take time to get since i had to deal with greedy ford credit. so then comes the guy from canada who's name i forget, sorry its been a few years. he buys it now for 22k which puts me in a bind since i cant give him the car due to it having to leave the US and you need a title for that. so he had to wait for me to send my lawyer the money to deal with ford credit which would take time. then to top it off ford credit found out it was on ebay and what i got for it and wanted more for the title. THEN to even make things more complicated the buyer got impatient, which i don't blame him for, and he reversed the purchase with ebay and paypal refunded him.
Why would you go forward with the deal if hes not in the US and you suposedly stated you would not sell outside the US? Then dont go forward with the deal. Why would that put you in a bind?
- he did the buy it now option even when i stated US buyers only
- i told him the situation with the title and why i was wanting a US buyer which was so that they could take the car and use it while we waited for my lawyer to negotiate the title for him.
- he said he would wait
- ford credit found out i had it on ebay and also what i sold it for so they knew they could ask for more which is why it took longer then expected.
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in return i had to then have my lawyer recover the money from ford to give paypal since i now owe them the money! = cluster ****
WTF? Why do you owe paypal money? So your lawyer magically got money from ford to pay some of your debts? I should have my lawyer recover some money as well.
- the buyer got tired of waiting and opened a claim against the ebay purchase and paypal handled the 22k transfer so i owed paypal the 22k. why is this hard to understand? i take it you don't use ebay
-my lawyer got wired the 22k from me from the deal to use to get the title for the buyer but he backed out so i had to reverse the deal now to cover the refund to paypal.
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that was a pain in the *** process and my lawyer just said to re-list it so he can continue with getting the title. he said to use the money from the next sale to pay back pay pal so thats what i did. BUT the guy from canada told ebay it was back listed and to remove it and they did = bigger cluster ****
Why would you relist it if you already sold it to a guy in Canada? WTF were you expecting to do? Get paid twice so you could get the title? Your lawyer must be an idiot if he told you to do that. It was relisted if you already sold it. Did the Canadian dude give you money or a down payment?
- since the guy in canada backed out of the deal and opened a claim on it with paypal who paid him back his 22k i then had to get it back from my lawyer to send to paypal
- my lawyer already was negotiating with it with ford credit for the title and said to just relist it and the money from the next buyer can go to paypal and he can continue getting the title for the new buyer.
- he said it would be a pain to tell ford credit the deal got canceled and that he needs the cash back and to keep the title. they prob. wouldn't believe him or would drag the refund out or title exchange.
- when i re-listed it ebay flagged it down so that made things even worse when i was just trying to get the dam thing sold and gone!
are you guys bored yet of reading this? shall i go on?
hokay
so i now have david and the guy from canada on here badmouthing me when they have no idea what i was going through and why i was listing this car up.
You scammed both of us out of our money. I still do not have my $300 and I know of at least 2 police reports out on you. You probably shouldn't go back to Lincoln, CA
- i scammed nobody out of money david
- lol and i know exactly what 2 reports those are and they were made by me. i have a clean record and never been charged with ANYTHING detective dave
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i was trying to deal with ford credit, my lawyer, pay pay pal, and to pay the guy back his payments on top of trying to defend myself on here with david.
not fun when people look up info on my car and find bad info on here, you guys made it impossible to sell really... not your fault though since you didn't know the full story i guess
you should have never scammed me out of $300 and if you wanted to sell your car you should have sold it out right. if someone wants to make payments, direct them to the local bank to get a loan. you were SCAMMING them by offering payments and not refunding them. Whether that was your intention or not, you were.
- did you read anything on here that i said because i went over this already
- you say you have proof that i took your so called money but all you have stated so far is that you think i magically deleted an online payment record from an online account!
- i didn't know i was such a hacker - look out oceans 11 here i come LOL
- to reiterate what i said already: i would have loved to sell it for full asking price but finding someone in the US with all the money to just buy it was hard. its also very hard to finance any car with an expensive aftermarket package on it like saleen, roush, or steeda. banks go off kelly blue book and whatever is listed there is what they will cover, maybe an added few grand but not 20k which these cars have in extras!
- would put it back on ebay but the guy from canada blocked it from going back on there
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since then i did a deal with a guy who put money down on it and then took off with it and i have been trying to track him down for a while now.
WHY THE F*** would you make this deal again? Cuz you want to scam them again? Looks like it backfired. Or maybe you are tring to claim insurance money this time? Did you collect?
- i had a lot of info on him and he seemed legit, i guess i trusted him too much?
- no david i didn't get any insurance on my car. if i did i would buy a new GT and wouldn't care
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i did spot it and was going to snag it and had a guy set up to buy it but that fell through and he was refunded in full since i had the money to do so.
WTF!!!! You spotted your stolen car and "was going to snag it"? WTF??? did you "snag" it? Then you wanted to sell your stolen car AGAIN????????
- i tracked it to the guys house but it was in the garage and he just got home and closed it before i could do anything.
- i got a report the guy was moving and on moving day i caught the garage open but the moving truck was in the way and there were many people there. also when i got a closer look i saw the front right wheel and tire was off the car so it wasn't going to be driven out.
- since then, 4 months, this guy has moved twice
- i had a guy wanting to buy it but i told him i couldn't recover it so couldn't do the deal. that was reversed and i am still trying to recover it.
I AM ALSO OFFERING A REWARD FOR ANY HELP IN RECOVERING IT
HEY DAVID WANT TO MAKE $300 LOL SORRY MAN I HAD TO THROW THAT OUT THERE
BUT REALLY I AM OFFERING A NICE REWARD FOR ANY HELP IF ANYONE IN THE CITRUS HEIGHTS AREA IN SACRAMENTO SPOTS IT FOR ME. I HAVE A REPO COMPANY OUT THERE WHO I CAN CALL 247 TO PICK IT UP FOR ME, THEY KNOW THE SITUATION WITH THE CAR.
LET ME KNOW, MAKE SOME CASH : )
this car has been a nightmare from the get go and i just want it back so i can attempt to sell it to someone who can just pay full asking price so i can pay everything back and be DONE WITH IT ALLLLLLLL
that is all, seriously.... thats it.... believe me or don't i really don't care
car still out in the wind and looking for it : (
so you never snagged it?????????
- ANSWERED ABOVE
i know you guys will prob. think its what i get and deserve but really i was dealing with so much crap and trying to make everyone happy that it just got all out of control. sorry is all i can say really, david i don't have and never had your 300, believe me or don't i really don't care man
THE PAST 3 YEARS HAVE BEEN A NIGHTMARE
ON TOP OF TRYING TO DEAL WITH THIS CAR AND TRYING TO SELL IT I HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH TWO PLACES WHERE THE HOMEOWNER'S LOST THEIR HOUSE'S FORCING US TO MOVE. ONE HOMEOWNER TRIED GETTING FULL RENT AFTER WE FOUND OUT HE WASN'T PAYING THE BANK AND AFTER THEY LISTED IT FOR SALE. HE ALSO CAME IN AND TOOK THE APPLIANCES WHILE WE WERE LIVING THERE SO THAT SUCKED. (POLICE REPORT TAKEN THERE) THEN SOMEONE BROKE IN AND STOLE A BUNCH OF STUFF WHILE AT THAT SAME HOUSE! (SECOND POLICE REPORT SO THERES THE TWO DETECTIVE DAVID MENTIONED)
THEN AFTER WE MOVED THAT HOMEOWNER ASSURED US HE WASN'T IN THE SAME SITUATION AS THE LAST HOMEOWNER WE DEALT WITH. BUT LOW AND BEHOLD THE FIRST MONTH THE BANK SHOWS UP WONDERING WHY THEY AREN'T GETTING PAID AND IF THE HOUSE IS OCCUPIED. SO AFTER 4 MONTHS THERE THE BANK TOOK THAT HOUSE SO WE HAD TO MOVE AGAIN.
THEN RECENTLY THE OWNER OF THE 3RD HOUSE WE WERE LIVING IN DECIDED TO SELL IT SO HAD TO MOVE YET AGAIN SO ITS BEEN A FUN TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH NO CAR RIGHT NOW!
SO THE ONE THING THAT WOULD REALLY HELP OUT IS IF I CAN RECOVER MY SALEEN. HECK IF SOMEONE HELPS ME FIND IT BEFORE XMAS THEN IT WOULD BENEFIT BOTH OF US, YOU GET $$$ FOR XMAX AND I GET MY CAR BACK.
THIS IS THE LAST TIME I TRY AND DEFEND WHAT I SAY ON HERE SO SERIOUSLY DAVID IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO TEAR EVERYTHING APART, AGAIN, THEN BY ALL MEANS GO AHEAD
THESE EXPLANATIONS ARE FOR EVERYONE ELSE ANYWAYS TO SHOW I AM NOT A SCAMMER NOR OUT TO SCREW ANYONE OVER. I AM A NORMAL GUY WITH VERY S*$Y LUCK. THIS SALEEN IS CURSED I SWEAR BUT I DO WANT IT BACK NONE THE LESS
MERRY XMAS GUYS
12-10-2011, 04:13 PM
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That's going to take a while to digest...
12-10-2011, 04:26 PM
#70
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You really think someone cares enough to read all that?
I read the last paragraphs. Karma is a bitch...
I read the last paragraphs. Karma is a bitch...
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