Factory Roush vs. Roush Clone--Buyer Beware?
03-02-2014, 03:49 PM
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03-03-2014, 01:05 AM
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Clone, or not a clone?
Who was that person?
From my experience with the Roush Performance company, they love all sorts of Mustangs - especially ones enhanced with aftermarket from Roush. In over a decade working with Roush products / cars, I've never heard of anyone from Roush calling a non-serialized car a real Roush. I'm very curious as the nature of the statement and who it was from.
From my experience with the Roush Performance company, they love all sorts of Mustangs - especially ones enhanced with aftermarket from Roush. In over a decade working with Roush products / cars, I've never heard of anyone from Roush calling a non-serialized car a real Roush. I'm very curious as the nature of the statement and who it was from.
Obviously it would be very stupid customer relations for Roush to support and authorize a Roush dealer to do a $15-20,000. build on a new Mustang and then tell the customer, "Thank You for all that money, but please don't call your car a Roush!" LOL! Jack Roush is far to smart for that! There are videos I've seen on TV car shows where Jack Roush supports such builds by authorized Roush dealers showing dino test results for the builds that used all the performance parts of a Roush!
In conclusion, I did not, nor will I ever say that a Mustang build of an authorized dealer under Roush spec. is the same as, equal to, or as valuable as your serialized Roush! Happy now?
What I've tried to say, is that they should not be discounted as "clones" because they are neither clones, nor some stock Mustang somebody put a few decals on claiming it is a serialized factory Roush! As I've said clearly, they are not a factory built Roush with a serial number, but a Mustang as I've described can be called a Roush. Jack Roush was smart enough to build a factory Roush with a serial number for those who wanted one of the Roush advertised models, and also promote Roush authorized dealers to build cars to the buyers specifications. In my case, I wanted the Roush performance modifications, but I preferred the Ford GT 500 stock look as you can see! Jack Roush got the much of the profit of a Roush and I got the car I wanted! Why that upsets some people I don't know, but I doubt it upset Jack Roush on the way to the bank!
Many of you are obviously threaten by this discussion, so I'm done, and let's let it die! Obviously I shouldn't have brought the subject up! Sorry, I thought I was supporting a viable "choice" for Mustang enthusiasts.... not threatening those with serial numbered Roush Mustangs! I got confused and began to think Mustangs are great cars because they are made out of great performance parts..... when obviously their pedigree is what is most important! I'll be down below in the "steerage deck" of the Titanic looking up at the people with pedigrees like the Vanderbilts and Carnegies... when the ship goes down! Ta Ta! I hope I can find a wooden door with a serial number on it to float on! I wouldn't want to be saved by a "clone" door! LOL!
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03-03-2014, 05:00 PM
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Mr. D,
You keep refering to your car as a ROUSH. It is not.[/B][B] It's a GT with a Roush blower.
You just said you prefer the 'stock GT 500 look' - but your car has the stock GT look. Nothing on it has changes made to the GT500 of that year. I see a pattern of you calling your car things it's not.
You also make 'clones' out to be bad. I've seen clones built by authorized Roush dealers. They look / perform very well.
Of course Roush supports selling their products. I've never argued that. In fact I've put many Roush parts on non-Roush vehicles. In fact I put a TON of Roush parts into something Roush never even made - An Explorer Sport.
And if your fun little 'jack ***' picture was aimed at me, I might as well give up trying to explain you don't have a Roush. I'm not threatened at all, as you claim. I've been trying to help you understand what you have. Clearly, you aren't willing to learn and very defensive when people try to explain things that you are confused about. I'm sorry you don't like hearing you don't have a Roush. It's a fact whether you want to accept it or not.
You keep refering to your car as a ROUSH. It is not.[/B][B] It's a GT with a Roush blower.
You just said you prefer the 'stock GT 500 look' - but your car has the stock GT look. Nothing on it has changes made to the GT500 of that year. I see a pattern of you calling your car things it's not.
You also make 'clones' out to be bad. I've seen clones built by authorized Roush dealers. They look / perform very well.
Of course Roush supports selling their products. I've never argued that. In fact I've put many Roush parts on non-Roush vehicles. In fact I put a TON of Roush parts into something Roush never even made - An Explorer Sport.
And if your fun little 'jack ***' picture was aimed at me, I might as well give up trying to explain you don't have a Roush. I'm not threatened at all, as you claim. I've been trying to help you understand what you have. Clearly, you aren't willing to learn and very defensive when people try to explain things that you are confused about. I'm sorry you don't like hearing you don't have a Roush. It's a fact whether you want to accept it or not.
03-04-2014, 06:47 PM
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Lil Roush,
The picture with the Jackass was not meant as an insult! Sorry if it was taken that way! In making it I was thinking how we all (including myself) can get so invested in our opinions that we find it hard to hear the other person. You have been polite in your posts and I appreciate that! Also Please note my car is labeled a Mustang GT Supercharged in pictures! Not a Roush. It is just how I wanted it built at the time in '08, not a clone of anything at all! Just the way I wanted it to look and run at the time I had it built.
As you guys have said repeatedly to me, "A Mustang built in an authorized Roush shop is not a Roush! It is simply a Ford Motor Company built Mustang with Roush parts on it!"
Apply that identical logic and test to a serial numbered Roush! What is it actually? It is simply a Ford Motor Company built Mustang with Roush parts on it!" I think the same applies to Shelby and Saleen. Maybe we should judge all of these cars by the way the individual car is equipped. As you guys well know, many Roush, Shelby, and Saleen cars don't exactly have great performance. I've met plenty of guys who have bought serial numbered cars that had no more performance that a stock Ford Mustang. I looked at a Shelby on a Ford Lot that was a stock, iron engine! My little 4.6L would run away from it like it was standing still even with the larger displacement!
So......... as you guys rightly say, whether a car has a serial number or not.... BUYER BEWARE, ............. and do your research before you buy!
In any case I support your right to value your cars any way you wish and I don't disagree with that! Besides, I just had shoulder surgery yesterday so I better "shut up" my fingers!
Mr. D
Any "old timers" remember what movie this picture comes from? LOL!
Actually he said to Humphrey Bogart, "Badges, Badges! We don't need no stinking badges!"
The picture with the Jackass was not meant as an insult! Sorry if it was taken that way! In making it I was thinking how we all (including myself) can get so invested in our opinions that we find it hard to hear the other person. You have been polite in your posts and I appreciate that! Also Please note my car is labeled a Mustang GT Supercharged in pictures! Not a Roush. It is just how I wanted it built at the time in '08, not a clone of anything at all! Just the way I wanted it to look and run at the time I had it built.
As you guys have said repeatedly to me, "A Mustang built in an authorized Roush shop is not a Roush! It is simply a Ford Motor Company built Mustang with Roush parts on it!"
Apply that identical logic and test to a serial numbered Roush! What is it actually? It is simply a Ford Motor Company built Mustang with Roush parts on it!" I think the same applies to Shelby and Saleen. Maybe we should judge all of these cars by the way the individual car is equipped. As you guys well know, many Roush, Shelby, and Saleen cars don't exactly have great performance. I've met plenty of guys who have bought serial numbered cars that had no more performance that a stock Ford Mustang. I looked at a Shelby on a Ford Lot that was a stock, iron engine! My little 4.6L would run away from it like it was standing still even with the larger displacement!
So......... as you guys rightly say, whether a car has a serial number or not.... BUYER BEWARE, ............. and do your research before you buy!
In any case I support your right to value your cars any way you wish and I don't disagree with that! Besides, I just had shoulder surgery yesterday so I better "shut up" my fingers!
Mr. D
Any "old timers" remember what movie this picture comes from? LOL!
Actually he said to Humphrey Bogart, "Badges, Badges! We don't need no stinking badges!"
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03-14-2014, 09:14 AM
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When I bought my Roush Stage 2 new from the dealer, they wanted to make it clear that if I decided to have the Roushcharger installed before my warranty is up, that Roush would warranty the install. Being the only difference between my car and a Roush Stage 3, this would still not make it a Roush Stage 3. It would just be a Roushcharged Roush Stage 2. Your car is a Roushcharged Ford Mustang GT. That should be it - that should be the end of the story.
Personally, I would like to hear from OP to see what happened. Please for the sake of arguments take it to PMs
Personally, I would like to hear from OP to see what happened. Please for the sake of arguments take it to PMs
03-17-2014, 07:52 PM
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When I bought my Roush Stage 2 new from the dealer, they wanted to make it clear that if I decided to have the Roushcharger installed before my warranty is up, that Roush would warranty the install. Being the only difference between my car and a Roush Stage 3, this would still not make it a Roush Stage 3. It would just be a Roushcharged Roush Stage 2. Your car is a Roushcharged Ford Mustang GT. That should be it - that should be the end of the story.
Personally, I would like to hear from OP to see what happened. Please for the sake of arguments take it to PMs
Personally, I would like to hear from OP to see what happened. Please for the sake of arguments take it to PMs
Here's what I found out which I know many will not accept out of hand! It's like arguing religion with some!
The problem comes from those with "serial numbered Roush factory "modified" Mustangs discounting Mustangs modified and warranted by Roush Authorized Dealers either before of after new car purchase. NO ONE claims any comparison in value, but some need to maintain that, "I can call my Mustang a Roush and you can't call yours a Roush!" They get mad if you don't let them make the rules! Sorry!
Here's the bottom line reality and legality about the name Roush! Roush is not a car manufacturer! It is a great company that makes performance parts added on to already manufacturered vehicles. There is no such thing as a Roush automobile, period! Try to get insurance on a Roush automobile, or look at your registration! It's a Ford Mustang, not a Roush! When your in warranty air conditioning fails try to get Roush to fix under warranty and Roush will explain the difference to you.
So you guys are taking it on yourselves to dictate what Ford Mustangs can be called a Roush out of some need to prove your serial numbered car is better than some on else's car even though some serial numbered cars are sadly lacking in performance! Shelby of Las Vegas will take any old Mustang and modify it cosmetically and sell you a serial number for it to increase its value.... for the profit. It's about marketing and profit, but neither Roush or Shelby manufactures a car! They are Ford Mustangs for every legal use!
A "factory serial numbered" Roush is a Ford Mustang to which Roush after market parts have been added! An Authorized Roush Dealer Roush is a Ford Mustang to which Roush after market parts have been added! Notice the similarity? Location is the only difference!
An Authorized Roush Dealer built Roush can be "inferior or superior" to a "factory serial numbered" Roush based on how much was spent on the modifications. Many would rather have a Authorized Roush Dealer built Roush with $25K authorized and warranted modifications than a serial numbered Roush with nothing but a body mods and very little performance! I've seen some of these Roush and Shelby cars that are not performance cars! That's not a criticism!
My car 40 year restoration buddy is far more about a car's looks and doesn't care much about performance! It's a choice! I love performance more than body modification in newer cars and looks more in older classic cars. To each his own! That's why I have a newer Mustang rather than a '68! The new one drives much, much, much better!
Again, I am not making any negative remarks about Factory serial numbered Roush cars, but some need to see them as far superior to a Roush Mustang modified by an authorized Roush dealer with a warrantee. Getting defensive and angry doesn't change the basic facts! There is no such thing as a Roush automobile, but obviously we both dislike a person taking a stock Mustang with a Roush decal and trying to sell it as a Roush, but you guys don't get to dictate what Mustangs can be called a Roush! Legally, DMV and DOT calls our cars Ford Mustangs.... not Roushs!
I respect your great Roush Mustang with lots of Roush mods, give the same respect to the guy whose car was modified by a Roush Authorized Dealer with a Roush warrantee! It's about the quality of the cars, not some insider club of have and have not Roushs! Be inclusive of all "nice" Roush Mustangs, not exclusive of cars without a serial number! That's not a car guy thing! Cars don't need to be royalty with pedigrees! They need to be cool and well built! That's kind of an American thing! Ask guys with "Rat Rods"! It's cool versus pedigrees! Let's not be Roush snobs! We like the cars and Roush likes the money! LOL!
I swear if I buy a Shelby next year I won't change sides and send in a picture of a serial number! LOL!
Ok, Soc Et Tu me!
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03-17-2014, 08:43 PM
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Shelby of Las Vegas will take any old Mustang and modify it cosmetically and sell you a serial number for it to increase its value.... for the profit. It's about marketing and profit, but neither Roush or Shelby manufactures a car! They are Ford Mustangs for every legal use!
And also I guess in your world, the AC cobra, Daytona coupe, and Series 1 were made by Ford, since Shelby doesn't manufacture cars