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3500 stall converter, 2000gt, before and after

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Old 04-25-2012, 10:46 PM   #1
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Default 3500 stall converter, 2000gt, before and after

So my old torque converter got thrown into my brother bolt on 2000 gt

His best times previously were 13.7s with a 2.05 60 foot

With no changes other than the 3500 stall he was able to drop that time down to a 13.2! His best 60 foot and time with my slicks was 13.22 with a 1.82 60 foot

He ran on his street tires for ****s and giggles and was able to pull a 13.35 with a 1.9 69 foot.

I figured he would pick up more with the slicks but at his power level they didnt help much.

Anyways, thought it would be good piece of info for any automatic guys out there.

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3500 stall takes 2000 gt from 13.7 to 13.2 with no other changes
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:37 PM   #2
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Always hear a good stall was worth a 1/2 second. Guess there's the proof.
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Wow, that's pretty sweet

I see older GT's on craigslists for dirt cheap.. I am always tempted to get one!
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Id like to get an old beater 4.6/5.0 with a stalled/geared auto to run the footbrake/trophy street classes here at the local 8th mile tracks. Me and the wife were just talking about it last night. But then that'll start diggin in to my procharger funds

Nice gains with just the stall!
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was kinda thinkin' it would do better then a 1.82 60'. hrmph.
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was kinda thinkin' it would do better then a 1.82 60'. hrmph.
Me too, but I guess it just doesnt have the power and its also a completely full weight car.

My car did 1.64 60 foot with the same converter for reference but I thought his would do 1.7-1.8s

The 4.6s are weak out of the hole, before the converter the best it would so was 2.05 or so.



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Always hear a good stall was worth a 1/2 second. Guess there's the proof.
yep, its the truth man!

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Id like to get an old beater 4.6/5.0 with a stalled/geared auto to run the footbrake/trophy street classes here at the local 8th mile tracks. Me and the wife were just talking about it last night. But then that'll start diggin in to my procharger funds

Nice gains with just the stall!
I can tell you this, its insane how consistent his car is lol.

It will run within a tenth 10 times in a row, I swear.
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Good info for those wondering whether or not a stall is worth it. Its the cheapest way to knock off 5 tenths (in a 2V) for sure.
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Great gains!! What kind of 1/8 mile gains did he see too along with mph gains? And full bolt ons meaning lt's too?
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Great gains!! What kind of 1/8 mile gains did he see too along with mph gains? And full bolt ons meaning lt's too?
Ill take a look at the exact slips later and post back, I know his 1/4 mile MPH stayed pretty much the same 102-103

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Good info for those wondering whether or not a stall is worth it. Its the cheapest way to knock off 5 tenths (in a 2V) for sure.
Yes for sure, honestly I think the gains would only get better with boosted or more radical setups. I would almost guarantee that my centri car saw .75 off the 1/4 if not a full second.

Getting that blower spinning up and going makes all the difference.
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Alright so I got some data for you guys

Before:
60: 2.035
330: 5.78
1/8: 8.83
MPH: 80.46
1000: 11.465
1/4: 13.69
MPH: 101.3

After:
60: 1.82
330: 5.41
1/8: 8.42
MPH 81.56
1000: 11.0
1/4: 13.23
mph: 102.28


So you can see that the stall knocked 4 tenths off the 1/8 mile time and increased the MPH 1 mph in the 1/8th.

AS expected from the 1/8th on is about the same, the converter is locked at that point so that's how it should be for the most part.


Heres the street tires slip:
60: 1.93
330: 5.54
1/8: 8.545
MPH: 81.63
1000: 11.15
1/4 13.35
mph : 102.4

I was impressed that the car still picked up a good bit of time even on street tires.
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Damn thats a strong running auto 2v for those mods! Hell, thats not even really FULL boltons. Good stuff right there! I knew stalls did wonders, but Im a believer now! Good info Justin, 'preciate it!
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Damn thats a strong running auto 2v for those mods! Hell, thats not even really FULL boltons. Good stuff right there! I knew stalls did wonders, but Im a believer now! Good info Justin, 'preciate it!
Yea, its always run good, has 160k miles on it too. lol

Stalls do wonders man, like I said, on a centri car or higher revving car the stall would make even more of a difference.
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Kind of makes the ol' automatic 2Vs a decent option, imo...you can pick one up for pretty damn cheap, stall it, gear it, slap a sweet sounding exhaust on her, and run some low 13s. Or hit it with a little shot of gas like Greddy does and run a low 12. Just saying, the auto 2V isn't all that bad if you spend your money in the right places.

I actually considered an auto 2V when I was looking at my SS due to the price difference, etc...but knew I would never hear the end of it (why the hell did you buy a damn 2V), lol.
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Damn, that's .4 faster than me.... good pick up though. Looks like I need to hone in my driving skills a bit....
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Yea, its always run good, has 160k miles on it too. lol

Stalls do wonders man, like I said, on a centri car or higher revving car the stall would make even more of a difference.
tell me about it.. the stock converter was asleep with my V3@10 PSI and MT ET Streets.. even with 4.10s, it felt like a full second after flooring it did anything happen. A full second. Imagine my horror

2.0 60 fts. 12.5@110mph all day long.. sitting at the light everytime!
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there's more in the car then, my car got mid 1.7's on motor, full weight, similar stall, on dr's, etc etc. but yeah i had the same time drop, went from a 13.7 best to a 13.2 best with the converter.
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So it would have been an 11.8 with a 3k stall??

I knew the outcome,but our winters are so horrible up here.. any more mods, and I'd be sitting and spinning my wheels at every stop sign! lulz
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Yeah, that sounds about right. F-bodies tend to drop about .5 with a 3600 stall, .6 with a 4000 stall, and .7 with a 4400.

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I actually considered an auto 2V when I was looking at my SS due to the price difference, etc...but knew I would never hear the end of it (why the hell did you buy a damn 2V), lol.
Dude, is the time in your sig with a stock converter? Holy crap! 12.5 with the stock stall is pretty damn good, much less 12.2.
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Yeah, that sounds about right. F-bodies tend to drop about .5 with a 3600 stall, .6 with a 4000 stall, and .7 with a 4400.


Dude, is the time in your sig with a stock converter? Holy crap! 12.5 with the stock stall is pretty damn good, much less 12.2.
Yea man, on the stock verter. I'm still scratching my head over this car...it only has 17k miles on her, but still.

You don't have a tune?
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No, really haven't done enough to it to justify one IMO. Just a lid and exhaust. When I had 3.42 gears I had the speedo and shift points corrected but that's about it (that rear end ultimately took a dump, back to the gay 2.73 rear end). I had a stall but it was just a 2800, not a whole lot different than stock. Someday I 'll tear into this engine and/or spray it and then get a proper tune
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