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Old 05-13-2012, 04:19 PM   #41
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Like I said, although it is probable that Turbo has beaten some, and absolutly anything can and usually does happen on the street, "crushing" them is unlilkey with his numbers.
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Like I said, although it is probable that Turbo has beaten some, and absolutly anything can and usually does happen on the street, "crushing" them is unlilkey with his numbers.
in all fairness, there is a chance that is was an rt with super bee badges as i have a 4.0 that looks like a Steeda . but I assure you, I crushed him by at least 5 cars. so I'll give you that, but I still think I would surprise you with a 30-120 roll race. no matter the outcome it would be a hell of a race.
as far as my number, remember I don't have posi. and I'm using small 235 pzero. that tends to affect your time in the 1/4, not so much on the roll.
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in all fairness, there is a chance that is was an rt with super bee badges as i have a 4.0 that looks like a Steeda . but I assure you, I crushed him by at least 5 cars. so I'll give you that, but I still think I would surprise you with a 30-120 roll race. no matter the outcome it would be a hell of a race.
as far as my number, remember I don't have posi. and I'm using small 235 pzero. that tends to affect your time in the 1/4, not so much on the roll.
Don't feel bad, I don't have a posi. either with a 3.06 FD and Falken 452s. I would love to run but I am seriously south of you. Besides, I'm just your typical 440 whp(I don't have that sheet as stated before so I usually won't mention it because I can't show proof) boat although I do shine from a roll. I do understand that the performance of your car may not be reflected by your numbers as my numbers were done while spinning ALOT. I have beaten many cars on the street that I can't touch on the track or from a dig. Like you said, from a roll tires/weight aren't as much of a factor. However, horsepower is hard to over come if your opponent has a better power to weight ratio.
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Street tires on a stock stall. I do have 3.73s to help with the launch. The tires are Hankook Ventus. Pretty decent rubber imo.
Damn bro. And I thought my times were good for street tires, lol. Those Ls1s are nasty. I know the SS's come with 275s stock but still.

Do you plan on stalling your car?
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Don't feel bad, I don't have a posi. either with a 3.06 FD and Falken 452s. I would love to run but I am seriously south of you. Besides, I'm just your typical 440 whp(I don't have that sheet as stated before so I usually won't mention it because I can't show proof) boat although I do shine from a roll. I do understand that the performance of your car may not be reflected by your numbers as my numbers were done while spinning ALOT. I have beaten many cars on the street that I can't touch on the track or from a dig. Like you said, from a roll tires/weight aren't as much of a factor. However, horsepower is hard to over come if your opponent has a better power to weight ratio.
nor do I have limited slip, I have open wheel.
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SRT8s are open diffs
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yes and no, they use traction control to limit the slip, if you don't get 2 nice black marks during your burn out, she's got problems. I got one wheel peel no matter what I do. less I change the rear.
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Damn bro. And I thought my times were good for street tires, lol. Those Ls1s are nasty. I know the SS's come with 275s stock but still.

Do you plan on stalling your car?
Its definitely a combination of the 275s and a very sticky track. On the street she's pretty tricky to go WOT under 45-50 mph without slipping and sliding.

I plan on stalling for sure. I really want to do a built trans at the same time, so I'm kind of on the fence about how to go about it.
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yes and no, they use traction control to limit the slip, if you don't get 2 nice black marks during your burn out, she's got problems. I got one wheel peel no matter what I do. less I change the rear.
LOL you are reaching. But I'll play. First off the ESP(electronic stability program)/BAS(brake assist)/ABS system runs a self test at 7mph and is inoperative below that speed. Second, the car will overpower the ESP/BAS/ESP and only warn you that you are sliding. Lastly, a SRT8 unlike an R/T, has three modes of ESP, On, Partial On and full off. When generally speaking, people turn off the ESP when doing a burn out. From a dig, If I romp it, I spin through 3rd. From a 30ish roll in auto when I romp it, it downshifts and imediately spins shifts and spins some more.
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By the way, stock for stock, the SRT8 Charger is faster than the SS, 300C, and the GTO even if just by a little all things being even.
That's a pretty close call...I believe the record times are almost on top of each other (unless you take the extreme claims made by some). All of them have ran high 12s @ 109~110mph per online claims. I certainly wouldn't bet money on the SRT8 winning but that's just me.
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That's a pretty close call...I believe the record times are almost on top of each other (unless you take the extreme claims made by some). All of them have ran high 12s @ 109~110mph per online claims. I certainly wouldn't bet money on the SRT8 winning but that's just me.
It is a very close call, hair like. And certainly anyones race except for the 300C(5.7). Since I can't have all the cars to do the comparison it resorts to mag racing in which the "stock" times were just a tick better for the SRT8 in the 1/4. I know that there are too many factors that could have changed the outcome either way between the Camaro and the SRT, but in the end they ran what they ran. I have to consider all things being equal and give the benefit of the doubt to the testers to have performed in all fairness. Which has the 0-60 times as 4.9 and 1/4 time of 13.3@108 for the SRT and 5.2 and 13.5@107 for the Camaro with a power to weight ratio of 9.788lbs/hp for the SRT and 10.495lbs/hp for the Camaro. So that being said, based off the only test results I have to go by it places the SRT first.

If anyone has more accurate/consistant data I'm listening.
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The power to weight thing is skewed badly on our end...
My car was 3440lbs full weight stock... at rated power (310) its 11.096 lbs/hp (the SS rated at 325 gives me 10.584 using my weight)... given I made 324rwhp/341rwtrq with FRA (you can take away a couple of HP if you want) my actual power is north of 350. Using 350 / 3440 I end up at 9.828 lbs/hp. Using stock numbers on paper I'm no where close to an SRT8... using real world numbers its pretty close (My best stock pass was 13.1 @ 108mph on a 2.1 60ft at Cordova and I wouldn't consider myself a good driver)

I have to quote MM&FF on our side as it's the 'best' confirmed results I know of. I've heard of claimed 12.7 passes as well as 109 and 110traps.. but no actual proof exists aside from claims and posted slips on ls1tech. This is a legitimate source with arguably one of the best drivers possible running it.

(Z28 mentioned in article was 1998, SS tested is a 2001 Model)
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Just curious btw...what's wrong with the 300C SRT8? I ran one a few years ago when I was stock and it was a dead nuts even race from 70-140. (Edit: I see just the 300C listed... I didn't think the 5.7s were even ballpark with the other cars listed?)
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Just curious btw...what's wrong with the 300C SRT8? I ran one a few years ago when I was stock and it was a dead nuts even race from 70-140. (Edit: I see just the 300C listed... I didn't think the 5.7s were even ballpark with the other cars listed?)
I have seen that article before and would have to say that it was a hero run. I used the slowest reported times for the SRT. You and I have had this conversation over on ls1tech in 2009. It was that conversation in which somone (it wasn't you) stated that a stock SRT could not get in the 12s. I drove four hours to Dinwiddie VA and hot lapped back to back 12s and spun terribly as I had never been on a drag strip. I still haven't beaten those times and have much more power now. The 300C = R/T and is a 5.7l. The 6.1l 300 just says SRT8. It doesn't even say 300.

I used 3411 and 325 to give benefit. My current is 9.433lbs/hp.
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I have seen that article before and would have to say that it was a hero run. I used the slowest reported times for the SRT. You and I have had this conversation over on ls1tech in 2009. It was that conversation in which somone (it wasn't you) stated that a stock SRT could not get in the 12s. I drove four hours to Dinwiddie VA and hot lapped back to back 12s and spun terribly as I had never been on a drag strip. I still haven't beaten those times and have much more power now. The 300C = R/T and is a 5.7l. The 6.1l 300 just says SRT8. It doesn't even say 300.

I used 3411 and 325 to give benefit. My current is 9.433lbs/hp.
I agree completely that is was a hero run (which they repeated with the SS they tested in the article) 12s stock can be had with a great driver which was my only point. I definitely know SRT8s are capable of 12s stock..that's why I believe hero run vs hero run (which would be 'all things equal') the times are going to be ridiculously close to one another. I would love to see that race regardless of who wins.

Interesting note on the 300 SRT8... I always thought they were 300C SRT8s... he wasn't in front of me long enough to notice I guess. (excuse my ignorance) lol

I've been trying to run the numbers for this setup...if I manage to hit just the 370rwhp mark that would put me at 435hp (just using 15% DTL)... and I've lost just a little weight.. using stock weight though... 7.90 lbs/hp... damn I need to get this thing to a track this year.
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I agree completely that is was a hero run (which they repeated with the SS they tested in the article) 12s stock can be had with a great driver which was my only point.

and I've lost just a little weight..
I completely agree that the two are close to the atomic level. But you saw what I had to use.

A little weight...... dude, mine is still a full weight DD that is usually full of some kind of battle rattle. Oh and trash. LOL
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You guys are both right, all things equal you've got a hell of a run between the two. Mod for mod though, I think the LS1 starts to pull ahead.
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LOL you are reaching. But I'll play. First off the ESP(electronic stability program)/BAS(brake assist)/ABS system runs a self test at 7mph and is inoperative below that speed. Second, the car will overpower the ESP/BAS/ESP and only warn you that you are sliding. Lastly, a SRT8 unlike an R/T, has three modes of ESP, On, Partial On and full off. When generally speaking, people turn off the ESP when doing a burn out. From a dig, If I romp it, I spin through 3rd. From a 30ish roll in auto when I romp it, it downshifts and imediately spins shifts and spins some more.
my point was I have no assist of any kind, i think if you were to pull the fuse and make a run, you would see a difference. (as I have read)
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Interesting discussion.

For the record, I owned a 08 300C SRT8 with CAI and a canned Diablo tune. On stock tires best it ran was 8.65 @ 87 mph in the 1/8th.

I think the LS1 is a better platform, but I will own another 300C SRT8 before long. I LOVED that car. Pretty decent performance and MAN was it comfortable.
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Good debate going on here.

Stone, good kill, all be it expected. I know the typical EllisJuan is a man amongst boys but I still think its appropriate to call your car The Freak.
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