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Old 08-12-2014, 07:55 PM   #1
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Finally getting a chance to run my coworkers 02 ss this weekend, weather permitting. We're working a car show where we're taking our dyno to, he'll be putting his car on it first thing which is the same dyno I put my car on so we'll have a decent comparison for hp. But then after the show we're gonna do a couple rolls.

His car consists of an 02 ls1 m6, stock shortblock and stock untouched heads, trex cam, fast 90 intake/tb, longtubes, full exhaust, self tuned, spec 3+ and liberty built t56, custom driveshaft, 9" rear with 4.10's, 275 555r's.

He's talking all sorts of smack about how he's gonna put a whoopin on me. He wants to race me without spray which I'm ok with. But I'm thinking I'll put 1-2 cars on him. What's everyone elses opinions?
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Old 08-12-2014, 08:12 PM   #2
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Well, you already know what I think, but I'll post my thoughts for others...you will murder him. With stock heads and that cam I'll be shocked if he is over 400 rwhp. That 427rwhp he claims are cammed ls2 numbers. I ran a TA with those exact mods in my old SS (243s, small cam, stall) and put over 2 cars on him from 50-120 mph. He made 380 something to the wheels IIRC. And with your current set-up being considerably faster than my old SS, I have no doubt in my mind that you will but more than 1-2 cars on him. If he had a good set of ported heads or even some milled 243s I think he could stay within 2 cars if you, but not as it sits, no way.

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Old 08-12-2014, 08:33 PM   #3
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Well, you already know what I think, but I'll post my thoughts for others...you will murder him. With stock heads and that cam I'll be shocked if he is over 400 rwhp. That 427rwhp he claims are cammed ls2 numbers. I ran a TA with those exact mods in my old SS (243s, small cam, stall) and put over 2 cars on him from 50-120 mph. He made 380 something to the wheels IIRC. And with your current set-up being considerably faster than my old SS, I have no doubt in my mind that you will but more than 1-2 cars on him. If he had a good set of ported heads or even some milled 243s I think he could stay within 2 cars if you, but not as it sits, no way.

Please do good so I don't look like an idiot, lol.
Lol I'd love to do better than my expectations, I just dont want to go in expecting too much haha. I will be putting my boost only tune in which is another 3 degrees of timing over my normal tune so we will see. I cant wait to get this race done. If he beats me I'm pulling the blower off on sunday lol.
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Colin you're gonna smoke this Camaro lol! Think about our races with my mods...this guy doesn't stand a chance
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:13 PM   #5
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Colin you're gonna smoke this Camaro lol! Think about our races with my mods...this guy doesn't stand a chance
I've told him about your car and show'd him our runs numerous times, He just keeps saying "yeah well my cars a beast so I'll get ya!!".
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I've told him about your car and show'd him our runs numerous times, He just keeps saying "yeah well my cars a beast so I'll get ya!!".
I'm positive it would take a max effort HCI LS1 to beat you! Even then I bet it would be very close! If he is so sure he can beat you then you should ask him to put a little wager on it lol! Easy money for you
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Hmm... trex with an M6 can make some numbers... 440rwhp from SMOKIN01TA on ls1tech... (obviously with full bolt ons and tuning)...he also runs low 10s at around 130 though so its the extreme end of the spectrum. That said I don't know this guys setup so Im guessing you have it but those donkey dick cams can make some power.
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That Trex cam is only marginally bigger than the one I'm running, and he has stock heads to boot...I'll tell ya this boy is in for a rude awakening lol!
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Hmm... trex with an M6 can make some numbers... 440rwhp from SMOKIN01TA on ls1tech... (obviously with full bolt ons and tuning)...he also runs low 10s at around 130 though so its the extreme end of the spectrum. That said I don't know this guys setup so Im guessing you have it but those donkey dick cams can make some power.
A lot doesn't add up with that set-up. 440 cam only LS1.. low 10s at 130 with 440RWHP. I just don't see any of that happening. He has gotta be leaving out a good bit of info. Weight, heads, etc.
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A lot doesn't add up with that set-up. 440 cam only LS1.. low 10s at 130 with 440RWHP. I just don't see any of that happening. He has gotta be leaving out a good bit of info. Weight, heads, etc.
Agreed. 440whp and low 10's means he must have a ridiculous race weight, like sub 2800 lbs. think about it my car weighs 3450ish and has 501whp and is a full second slower than that Camaro.
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:25 AM   #11
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A lot doesn't add up with that set-up. 440 cam only LS1.. low 10s at 130 with 440RWHP. I just don't see any of that happening. He has gotta be leaving out a good bit of info. Weight, heads, etc.
Hell Hio has gone 11.0 @ 131 with 413rwhp bolt on ls6 at 3100lbs... right setup can do amazing things.


Here is the mod list (as I said it's the extreme end...point was they can make some power) the suspension, etc just makes it ET like an animal.
http://ls1tech.com/forums/vehicles-s...ml#post4889971

Car is believed to be 3020-3040lbs it was 2985lbs but he added weight...
http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racin...ml#post3717237

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Hmm... trex with an M6 can make some numbers... 440rwhp from SMOKIN01TA on ls1tech... (obviously with full bolt ons and tuning)...he also runs low 10s at around 130 though so its the extreme end of the spectrum. That said I don't know this guys setup so Im guessing you have it but those donkey dick cams can make some power.
I can see low-mid 10s out of an extreme build & 440WHP. (Old school automatic transmission with a large stall, A ton of weight reduction, killer suspension.) Basically a full on track car. But it hard to imagine making that much power thru a motor that's not completely built.
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S8er, I believe about 1% of the claims over there. Hio isn't in that 1%. A 1.39 414 rwhp bolt on ls6 at 130...that's one I didn't even entertain. Again, a lot of info being left out. I've just never seen anything even remotely close in person is all.

I do agree an extreme build like the one you linked running what it did. Not easy, but yea. Hio's claim has just always struck me as him telling half the story. I could very well be wrong, not saying I'm not.

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The only reason I believe Hio is because its been done twice. VetteBoy is putting up near identical numbers with almost the same traps (better ETs though because he's not on a 10 bolt) in a C5 Z06. I understand being skeptical though, of course after seeing what Keith did in his bolt on LS1 as well as the other bolt on guys... its hard to ignore you know? Obviously some form of weight reduction is required but who doesn't remove spare tire/jack (nearly everyone has some form of weight reduction... some are gutted of course).

Fastest bolt on only ls1 list....(stock internal)...bolt on ls1s usually peak around 350-360rwhp (anything near 360 is likely a reaaaaal generous dyno)

Board ID - 1/4 ET @ MPH (60ft), Yr & Type of car, Converter/Clutch, Gear, Race Weight, Date
RUQWIKR -------- 10.685 @ 122.91 (1.37), 01 Formula T400, ATI4600, 4.56, 3060, 03/08
Project_SS ----- 10.866 @ 122.14 (1.45), 98 Camaro SS A4, TCI4400, 3.73, 2840, 03/07
Magnus --------- 10.987 @ 119.31 (1.42), 97 Firebird A4, YPT4400, 4.10, 2920, 12/04
Promod1955 ----- 11.030 @ 124.18 (1.45), 00 Camaro SS A4, YPT4400, 3.73, 3085, 04/09
Skelton -------- 11.088 @ 119.10 (1.44), 01 Formula A3, CN4800, 4.10, 3150, 02/09
1BAD98LS1 ------ 11.089 @ 120.62 (1.47), 98 Formula A4, YTP4000, 3.89, 3070, 11/07
Hawkn01 -------- 11.256 @ 118.48 (1.52), 01 Firehawk A4, TCS4200, 3.73, 3086, 03/04
SilentbutViolent 11.302 @ 117.84 (1.52), 98 Camaro Z28 A4, YTP4600, 3.73, 3128, 11/04
V6 Bird -------- 11.322 @ 118.67 (1.53), 01 Formula A4, YTP4000, 3.23, 3170, 11/02
Matt D --------- 11.421 @ 116.24 (1.47), 99 Camaro Z28 A4, YPT4400, 3.73, 3100, 11/07
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Makes me wish I had ran on slicks/skinnies and done a little more weight reduction. Might of ran a high 10. Just hard to do that to such a low mileage car.
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Several of those cars are in the 3100b range which isn't super hard to do with our cars. Im at 3370 now and all I've done was removed spare tire/jack and replaced all that heavy *** factory exhaust (I still have the bigass stock muffler so some weight to shed there yet). I think hitting 3200 wouldn't take a ton of effort... if this pile of **** ran right I think I could put up some pretty impressive numbers. Slicks skinnies and a solid launch is a serious game changer... but even with a high mileage car I know what you mean. Part of me hates modding the damn thing. Should have left it stock.
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Hell I'd be lucky to cracked high 11's with the way my car is setup lol. I can't even spray till 3rd right now lol.

If the car in question has some weight reduction then it might give greddy a run, otherwise this should be an easy win for him IMO
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Cam intake and exhaust? I'd think you've got this in the bag
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I dropped the spare/tools, front sway, all the stock exhaust, front pass seat, air pump, and never ran on more than a 1/4 tank. Figured I dropped close to a 150 pounds for a 3300 pound car. Leaving at idle it would do 1.69-1.75 60s, so with a real set of tires/wheels it's a game changer like you stated. But after that initial weight reduction I ran out of places to drop more without really taking away from the comfort and appearance of the car. A/C is a must have down here with all the heat and rain we get so that was a no go. Power steering delete and A/C delete are good to do IF you do both, but without committing to stripping the car, it's borderline not even worth only doing one or two things. Gotta do it all to be worth it, if that makes sense. So far, I've stayed damn close to stock with the gto. Not sure how long the discipline is going to last though, lol.
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Hell I'd be lucky to cracked high 11's with the way my car is setup lol. I can't even spray till 3rd right now lol.

If the car in question has some weight reduction then it might give greddy a run, otherwise this should be an easy win for him IMO
You're on 555Rs? You should be able to get close off the bottle long as you go easy on the launch. Talking leaving at no more than 2500 and rolling into it. Good luck spraying those tires at the track lol
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