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Old 06-06-2007, 04:00 AM   #1
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So here's the plan...i have an '01 mustang v6, and i'm doing a swap to a 5.0l ..... main reason...you see 4.6's all the time...and 5.0's in the older body styles...but how many 302's do you see in this body style? how sweet would it be to pop the hood and see a 5.0 in one of the new sn-95 body styles?? i think its great...here's the cost...found a wiring harness, ecu, and motor mounts with 3000 miles on them for 250 bucks, found the 302 with 84k miles for 500, and will be getting the trick flow upper and lower intake, trick flow heads, and trick flow forged pistons and cam, with the summit racing forged crank....

need help with bore, what does everyone think would be best? .30 over..that was my original thought...its gonna be a cheap swap especially since the suspension is already upgraded and the fact that the k-member is the same for the 232 as the 302....and the fact that i work at summit racing will help out! lol.

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Old 06-06-2007, 04:33 PM   #2
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k member is not the same you need one from a 94-95

the reason you dont see em swaped is because its a waste of money to do so
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Old 06-06-2007, 05:09 PM   #3
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too much money to do the swap only to have a 5.0 in there that will dyno only slightly more than the 3.8

also you need to apply for emissions exemptions or allowances in order to use the older 5.0 in the newer car. which basically means it's not worth it.

you need to notify you insurance company that you upgraded your car to a V8 GT configuration and then you will pay V8 premiums or if you don't then it's insurance fraud and they will not cover you in an accident if they find out there is a V8 under the hood and not the V6

why switch to a 5.0 anyways. it really doesn't have much of an advantage over the 3.8 except for cost to build. it isn't as strong as the 3.8 that's for sure
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Old 06-06-2007, 05:40 PM   #4
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too much money to do the swap only to have a 5.0 in there that will dyno only slightly more than the 3.8
I dont know so Im asking......but, how could putting a 5.0 in a 99 body put down just slightly more then a 3.8 assuming proper modifications (switching out rear to take the V8 powerfor example)?
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Old 06-06-2007, 05:58 PM   #5
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as time went on the engines got more efficient, 5.0's were stopped in 94 or 95 i think... over 10 years.

the sn95 gt's only put out 220hp, 3.8L puts out 193hp, that should help a bit
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Old 06-06-2007, 07:06 PM   #6
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I thought 5.0 had 270 lbs of torque too,and the v6only has 220 lbs of torque ,yeah cobra is right its a waste only 40 lbs of torque more and only like 30 hp more. which you can get with the v6 with some boltons for less money then a complete swap.. just buy a old fox for less if you want a 5.0. id personally would put a dual over head cam 4.6 (if you can find one) in instead of the 5.0,or a single over head cam engine 4.6 too,might as well since your going too swap too a v8 anyway.
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Obviously you idiots didnt read what hes putting on the motor. With tfs setup he'll EASILY be putting down 300+ hp. And 3.8 being reliable, um BS....wasnt it the 3.8 that had millions of cars with blown headgaskets....yeah thought so... The 3.8 is a great big POS. Slow reving junk.

Regarkcurb, when you get your TFS setup dont get the twisted wedge heads. Get the TFS high ports, MUCH better head, flows A LOT more than TW's. And if you really wanna make it different put a carb on it with a victor jr. or super victor. That thing will scream, ditch the crappy 3.8 for a real motor
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Obviously you idiots didnt read what hes putting on the motor. With tfs setup he'll EASILY be putting down 300+ hp. And 3.8 being reliable, um BS....wasnt it the 3.8 that had millions of cars with blown headgaskets....yeah thought so... The 3.8 is a great big POS. Slow reving junk.
ya that problems only been resolved for 10+ years
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Old 06-06-2007, 07:33 PM   #9
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Obviously you idiots didnt read what hes putting on the motor. With tfs setup he'll EASILY be putting down 300+ hp. And 3.8 being reliable, um BS....wasnt it the 3.8 that had millions of cars with blown headgaskets....yeah thought so... The 3.8 is a great big POS. Slow reving junk.

Regarkcurb, when you get your TFS setup dont get the twisted wedge heads. Get the TFS high ports, MUCH better head, flows A LOT more than TW's. And if you really wanna make it different put a carb on it with a victor jr. or super victor. That thing will scream, ditch the crappy 3.8 for a real motor
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laughs at the ignorance of people that are still stuck in the 80's & 90's.
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WASTE OF MONEY IMO. Plus you only listed half of what you will need to do the swap...but have fun!
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Whatever the 3.8, IMO with teh exception of the T-bird S/C are all garbage. Sure theyre great for MINIVANS, but come on in a mustang. Thats a damn womans car. No offense to the ladies.

I apologize for calling all of you idiots. Only some of you are [8D].

As for whats the point of putting a 5.0 in, hmm perhaps it could be that there is more parts available for a 302 than any other Ford engine produced. Period. Easy and inexpensive to build, parts are readily available at most parts stores. I dont see any negatives about putting a 302 in a mustang. Only positives, well except gas milage, but hell the 3.8 isnt that much better.
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Whatever the 3.8, IMO with teh exception of the T-bird S/C are all garbage. Sure theyre great for MINIVANS, but come on in a mustang. Thats a damn womans car. No offense to the ladies.

I apologize for calling all of you idiots. Only some of you are [8D].

As for whats the point of putting a 5.0 in, hmm perhaps it could be that there is more parts available for a 302 than any other Ford engine produced. Period. Easy and inexpensive to build, parts are readily available at most parts stores. I dont see any negatives about putting a 302 in a mustang. Only positives, well except gas milage, but hell the 3.8 isnt that much better.
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what about the 3.8 grand national?
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umm, the supercoupe 3.8 is the same block... just with the m90 on it.
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Whatever the 3.8, IMO with teh exception of the T-bird S/C are all garbage. Sure theyre great for MINIVANS, but come on in a mustang. Thats a damn womans car. No offense to the ladies.

I apologize for calling all of you idiots. Only some of you are [8D].

As for whats the point of putting a 5.0 in, hmm perhaps it could be that there is more parts available for a 302 than any other Ford engine produced. Period. Easy and inexpensive to build, parts are readily available at most parts stores. I dont see any negatives about putting a 302 in a mustang. Only positives, well except gas milage, but hell the 3.8 isnt that much better.
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what about the 3.8 grand national?
I was referring to the Ford 3.8 that was in Windstars, Tauruses, thunderbird, sables, and the mustang.
Chevy is a whole different ball game. Their 3.8 is a SBC -2 cylinders literally, they chopped 2 off. THeirs on the other hand is fairly powerful and rev's quickly, gobs of torque, and most of all reliable.
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Here we go again. When will the V8 guys stop dragging their knuckles on the ground and walk upright?

For the money spent on putting in a build 5.0L, you can EASILY get the same amount of power out of a V6 and still be ahead at the end when it comes to time/money.

With a good exhaust and intake, the split port 3.8L makes the SAME hp/tq numbers as the 5.0L powered fox bodies. If you do heads/cam/intakes.... compare both with the same mods... Oh no...guess what, they put out the same numbers till. Not to mention you didn't have to swap in a motor, switch back to OBD 1, add a fuel system, put in a K member and all the other junk related to putting the push rod 5.0L in a new edge SN95 body with a V6.

End of story.

PS: The 5.0L as well as the 351 and 460were found in Ford vans as well. Ouch.
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p zero what kind of car do u have?
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Built '85 GT. Using as many factory available parts as I could, granted some have a lot of machine work. My cars is faster than most but not as fast as some and thats with a 3.27 gear.
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So this makes you knowledgable when it comes to the V6 in what way?????
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Im a certified mechanic and Ive worked on cars/trucks for a long time. IMO, the Ford 3.8 is a boat anchor. Not worth the metal its made out of. Ive torn down more engines than most people on this forum. Look, I dont mean to hurt your feelings about the V-6, I like v-6's except the ford 3.8L. You must understand Im about efficiency, and for something with that much displacement, naturally aspirated, its gutless, relatively speaking. Hell, you can get a 2.0L 4cyl with more HP and torque than that thing, which in my mind is pathetic.
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