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V6 X-Charger or Vortech HO? Advantage between gear driven and twin screw?

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Old 02-19-2010, 01:24 AM   #1
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Default V6 X-Charger or Vortech HO? Advantage between gear driven and twin screw?

hey guys, well ive been saving and hoping i can finally get my blower within the next couple months, but im stuck between the Vortech V3 HO or the X-Charger. what are the differences between the two? this is what i know.

Vortech V3 HO
-More HP/TQ, ...i think?
-Cooler

X-Charger
-1k cheaper

also can somebody tell me the differences between a twin screw blower and a gear driven?
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Red Beast... I am going to move this into the 4.0 section, I think you will get more traffic there.
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thanks man, but it doesnt seem like theres enough blown V6's to answer my question, how much hp does your x-charger put down to your wheels?
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first off I'd go w/ the intercooled x, which will porob be 1k more so we're talking about the same price. intercoolers new so not on the site but they have great cust service there if you call.
turbo will give you the best #'s
vortec will prob give u slightly better #'s
x does have some nice lowend torque tho and can really tear it up on the streets
so basically vortec slightly better #'s and track times
x gets into boost quicker driving around town
turbo will crushem both tho
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first off I'd go w/ the intercooled x, which will porob be 1k more so we're talking about the same price. intercoolers new so not on the site but they have great cust service there if you call.
turbo will give you the best #'s
vortec will prob give u slightly better #'s
x does have some nice lowend torque tho and can really tear it up on the streets
so basically vortec slightly better #'s and track times
x gets into boost quicker driving around town
turbo will crushem both tho
I'd say this is a good even handed assesement. They all have their strengths. It's really going to come down to what your goals are.

For me it came down to the fact that I spend little time at the drag strip, but quite a lot on the street (I'm not meaning street racing mind you, I just like to have some real torque on tap when the open road beckons).

I also enjoy autocross type events, and the low end, near instant power offered by the "X" is a good match for this type use.

The whine under boost that the Eaton blower makes is like music to my ears, so that's a plus too. I also tend to do several car shows every year, and if there's a better looking kit for the 4.0L than the "X", I have yet to see it.

You really need to decide what your particular style and goals are, and then fit the F/I system chosen to satisfy that.

p.s. The X-Charger is not a twin screw blower. It's an advanced Roots type design. A lot of people confuse the two since they're somewhat similar.
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Also another thing to consdier, whether you like whine or not. The X is loud.
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Also another thing to consdier, whether you like whine or not. The X is loud.
Loud in what way? At idle/part throttle mine doesn't sound any different than a bone stock car. You only notice sound under heavy boost, and then it's just the characteristic whine.
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The vortech I had would whine a little, but I didnt buy it for the sound.
Either setup is a good setup. The x with intercooler is a long-awaited setup.

As long as you do go with an intercooler, you'll be able to run more boost and hence more power.
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yeah i wouldnt call the x loud, you def notice it when you get on it, but it isnt deafining, its just a nice, clearly noticable supercharger whine
I do gotta say if I floor it from a dead stop and smoke the tires a bit, the sc nwhine plus the exhaust w/ long tubes...its an amazing sound
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How do you like your SSW LTs? I am just afraid of that tin-ish sound, how are yours?
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I'm not sure if I'll go intercooled since its more $ then if you get it w/ the kit, and ill have to pay for the install but id def recommend getting it if u get the kit
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i like the LT's. I wiouldnt call it a tinish sound. Its sound is sharper id say then w/ stock manifolds, def a bit raspy above say 3500rpm. Trying to remember its been so long since ive heard the exhaust (put away for the winter). I gotta find someplace by here where i can do some clips driving by and such in the spring
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Yea I would love to hear that, Did you notice the performance gains? High or low end? I notice a good amount of low end with the shorties but may switch eventually.
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thanks man, but it doesnt seem like theres enough blown V6's to answer my question, how much hp does your x-charger put down to your wheels?
There are a lot of blown 6's, you just gotta catch their attention

I haven't dyno'd my car, but based on other setups, I would be close to 300 rwhp I would be guessing. And as mentioned, with the intercooler coming out for the x-charger, it is going to make it a really well rounded kit.
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I still need to tune them but theres def been a topend gain.
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And as mentioned, with the intercooler coming out for the x-charger, it is going to make it a really well rounded kit.

I thought that kit was suppose to be out earlier this month. Do you know where it can be purchased when it is available?
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Explorer Express, call them up.
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well, i woulda done a turbo kit, but turbo's arnt legal in california well anyways, i am planning to take it to the track in time, but this is my DD, and i dont see me taking it more then 1 time every 4 months probably. and i like the whines of blowers. so i guess the X seems like it might be more for me, but i sorta do want as much possible hp i can squeeze in. but do you think the X will match if not output more hp tq then the vortech hi-output? is the intercooler kit out? i looked on their website and didnt see a kit with an intercooler. why can i not find any numbers from their site either?
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My Xcharger hi-po kit put 260 to the rear wheels from a dyno day at Alternative Auto, but it has a lot left on the table - others who have gotten some numbers are at 280 or more from what I have seen. Dyno numbers though are just a tool, real world the car on this tune runs 13.42 in the quarter mile. It runs very rich and I haven't had time to get it in for dyno tune (running the bama mail order tune right now). I also decided not to push getting it in with Lidio since I will be adding the intercooler.

The first 20 intercooler kits are already spoken for (I am in that group) which is one reason you don't find it on the Explorer Express site yet. A second reason it isn't listed is that Dave is waiting on some part from Ford though that is back ordered before he can ship. One of the problems of having to depend upon third parties is that their schedule doesn't always meet your needs.
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My Xcharger hi-po kit put 260 to the rear wheels from a dyno day at Alternative Auto, but it has a lot left on the table - others who have gotten some numbers are at 280 or more from what I have seen. Dyno numbers though are just a tool, real world the car on this tune runs 13.42 in the quarter mile. It runs very rich and I haven't had time to get it in for dyno tune (running the bama mail order tune right now). I also decided not to push getting it in with Lidio since I will be adding the intercooler.

The first 20 intercooler kits are already spoken for (I am in that group) which is one reason you don't find it on the Explorer Express site yet. A second reason it isn't listed is that Dave is waiting on some part from Ford though that is back ordered before he can ship. One of the problems of having to depend upon third parties is that their schedule doesn't always meet your needs.
Jim, what's your 1/8th mile time? I know your car is faster than mine and my set up is basically the same as yours except mine is manual and I have 410 gears. I put 287hp to the wheels and 301 torque with a custom tune. It just goes to show that dyno numbers aint all that.
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