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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 12:00 PM
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Yes, I have definitely noticed a difference running 90/10. I dropped considerably ( by about 40 miles a tank ) in fuel mileage.
Wow, I haven't noticed any drop at all, still get about 320 miles per tank... what brand you using?
Old Apr 26, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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90/10 mix is fine for our cars, in fact many people don't look at the pump but much of the gas here in the mid-west has this mix.
Please read your manual. It say never, will destroy engine and void warrenty.
Old Apr 26, 2006 | 01:04 PM
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Please read your manual. It say never, will destroy engine and void warrenty.
I hope not because that's all that will be available due to regulation changes. That's one reason prices have gone up recently. I noticed they were switching because I stopped at my usual place, and they were totally out of 87 octane. They said it's because they have to drain and service their tanks before getting the new stuff.
Old Apr 26, 2006 | 01:09 PM
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They are telling your correctly, they have to drain and clean the tanks before filling them with the ethanol blend. Its not in my area yet but I hate the idea of switching since I'm not sure our cars are set up to use this fuel. If anyone finds out let us all know.
Old Apr 26, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: viking396

90/10 mix is fine for our cars, in fact many people don't look at the pump but much of the gas here in the mid-west has this mix.
Please read your manual. It say never, will destroy engine and void warrenty.
PLEASE, stop talking of things you don't know.
90/10 blend is all that is available in most metro areas of the Midwest. It will NOT void your warranty, nor will it hurt your car!

Thanks




In Fact, here's an excerpt from the manual. No more discussion needed!

Choosing the right fuel
Use only UNLEADED FUEL. The use of leaded fuel is prohibited by law
and could damage your vehicle.
Your vehicle was not designed to use fuel or fuel additives with metallic
compounds, including manganese-based additives. Studies indicate that
these additives can cause your vehicle’s emission control system to
deteriorate more rapidly. In Canada, premium grade fuel generally
contains more metallic additives than regular grade fuel. We recommend
using regular grade fuel. In Canada, many fuels contain metallic
additives, but fuels free of such additives may be available; check with
your local fuel dealer.
Do not use fuel containing methanol. It can damage critical fuel system
components.
Repairs to correct the effects of using a fuel for which your vehicle was
not designed may not be covered by your warranty.
Octane recommendations
Your vehicle is designed to use
“Regular†unleaded gasoline with
pump (R+M)/2 octane rating of 87.
We do not recommend the use of
gasolines labeled as “Regular†that
are sold with octane ratings of 86 or lower in high altitude areas.
Do not be concerned if your engine sometimes knocks lightly. However, if
it knocks heavily under most driving conditions while you are using fuel
with the recommended octane rating, see your authorized dealer to
prevent any engine damage.
Fuel quality
If you are experiencing starting, rough idle or hesitation driveability
problems, try a different brand of unleaded gasoline. “Premiumâ€
unleaded gasoline is not recommended for vehicles designed to use
“Regular†unleaded gasoline because it may cause these problems to
become more pronounced. If the problems persist, see your authorized
dealer.
It should not be necessary to add any aftermarket products to your fuel
tank if you continue to use high quality fuel of the recommended octane
rating. Aftermarket products could cause damage to the fuel system.
Repairs to correct the effects of using an aftermarket product in your
fuel may not be covered by your warranty.
Many of the world’s automakers approved the World-wide Fuel Charter
that recommends gasoline specifications to provide improved
performance and emission control system protection for your vehicle.
Gasolines that meet the World-wide Fuel Charter should be used when
available. Ask your fuel supplier about gasolines that meet the
World-wide Fuel Charter.
Cleaner air
Ford endorses the use of reformulated “cleaner-burning†gasolines to
improve air quality.


(I.E. Ethanol Blends)<-----parentheses not in manual...I added for your benefit.
Old Apr 26, 2006 | 01:54 PM
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The reality of it is that from just the corn husk waste used to make ethanol the USA could end it's importation of oil. I would rather that some farmer in the mid west get paid for his garbage than some rich oil shiek dictator in the mid east. This won't/can't happen for years to come. But it will. I don't care about the fact that it is better for the environment, what I care about is what is better for this country. The mideast will dry up and return to the stoneage once the industrialized world cleans up it's act.
Old Apr 26, 2006 | 03:01 PM
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+++1, Let's hope it happens sooner than later!!
ORIGINAL: Scaught

The reality of it is that from just the corn husk waste used to make ethanol the USA could end it's importation of oil. I would rather that some farmer in the mid west get paid for his garbage than some rich oil shiek dictator in the mid east. This won't/can't happen for years to come. But it will. I don't care about the fact that it is better for the environment, what I care about is what is better for this country. The mideast will dry up and return to the stoneage once the industrialized world cleans up it's act.
Old Apr 26, 2006 | 03:16 PM
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Then only dis-bebefit to running a lillte E85 in your car is that it can make it run slightly hotter. E85 comes out to 110 octane by itself, and I typically put in 1 gallon or so per tankfull on my 01 procharged S281, and it loves it. Ford puts that disclaimer in so when idiots try to run 100 % E85, ford won't be responsible. Especially for power adder applications, blending it is ok. When doing this, put it in your tank first, then fill it with standard unleaded.
Old Apr 26, 2006 | 03:23 PM
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Pretty good info about your vehicle & ethanol:
http://www.ethanol.org/usingethanol.html
Old Apr 26, 2006 | 05:56 PM
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IF you look on E85 site... our Mustang is NOT on the list of FFV cars and therefore should not run E85 - according to Ford.

Ford E85 Complient Cars =- According to Ford.

Vehicle listing is below. Unfortunately, if your vehicle is not listed, your vehicle is NOT E85 Compatible

2006

3.0L Ford Taurus sedan and wagon (2-valve)*

4.6L Ford Crown Victoria (2-valve, excluding taxi and police units)

5.4L Ford F-150 (3-valve. Available in December 2005)

4.6L Lincoln Town Car (2-valve)


2004 - 2005

4.0L Explorer Sport Trac

4.0L Explorer (4-door)

3.0L Taurus sedan and wagon (2-valve)



Also... E85 will lower your gas milage by 10% according to Ford...
"Ethanol has less energy content than gasoline. However, E85 also has a much higher octane (ranging from 100 to 105) than gasoline. FFVs are not optimized to E85, so they experience a 10-15% drop in fuel economy. This will vary based on the way one drives, the air pressure in the tires, and additional driving conditions."


WHAT if you do put E85 in your 05> Mustang...
"Although your vehicle was not manufactured to run on E85, no problems should occur if you mistakenly fuel once with the alternative fuel. The largest difference between an E85 powered vehicle and a gasoline powered vehicle is that their computer modules are meant to read different amounts of oxygen within the fuel. E85 contains a higher amount of oxygen than gasoline and E85 compatible vehicles are made to read that higher amount. When a higher amount of oxygen is read by a gasoline powered vehicle, your "check engine light" may appear. A number of other parts on the FFV's fuel delivery system are modified to be ethanol-compatible. The fuel tank, fuel lines, fuel injectors, computer system and anti-siphon device have been modified slightly. Alcohol fuels can be more corrosive than gasoline. Therefore; fuel system parts have been upgraded to be ethanol-compatible.

Ultimately it is a drivers choice, but we do need to be firm in recommending that only FFVs use E85 and to state that we are not responsible for damages."





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