Suspension question
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Suspension question
I recently purchased a set of staggered 20' Foose Nitrous grays and wanted to lower the car. I have been looking at getting the Eibach pro kit and the Tokico d-spec shocks/struts. I want to know whether or not the ride is going to be harsh with this set up. Do the D-specs allow for a comfortable compression/rebound? will the undercarriage of the car scrape everything? thanks.
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I recently purchased a set of staggered 20' Foose Nitrous grays and wanted to lower the car. I have been looking at getting the Eibach pro kit and the Tokico d-spec shocks/struts. I want to know whether or not the ride is going to be harsh with this set up. Do the D-specs allow for a comfortable compression/rebound? will the undercarriage of the car scrape everything? thanks.
I recently purchased a set of staggered 20' Foose Nitrous grays and wanted to lower the car. I have been looking at getting the Eibach pro kit and the Tokico d-spec shocks/struts. I want to know whether or not the ride is going to be harsh with this set up. Do the D-specs allow for a comfortable compression/rebound? will the undercarriage of the car scrape everything? thanks.
I sure hope not since this is the exact setup i have gone with. I already have the springs and will be installing the wheels and tires this coming week. Then as soon as I can save up enough money for the Tokico Shocks and Struts i plan on installing the Springs and shocks. There are a good amount of guys running this setup from what i have seen here and on other sites. You will of course have to be careful with speed bumps and driveways that are steep but no big deal to me. The consensus has been that the Tokicos are the only way to go to get the ride you want be it stiff for racing or soft for daily driving.
Richard
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Ride,
The 20" wheels will negatively influence ride quality all on their own--that's what you really need to worry about. The Eibach "Pro kit" is their more mild spring set up, and it won't likely make the ride much rougher than stock. The Tokicos will allow you the most control over ride and are a good option to try and compensate for the extra rolling mass/inertia you'll be fighting with the 20"s. If you're not into serious performance handling, my guess is that you will enjoy your proposed set-up. If you want to improve performance, stay away from any wheel in the 20" range. Personally, I wouldn't go more than an 18" wheel.
The adjustable panhard is going to be specific to you. With the Pro kit, you're only lowering a bit more than an inch, and I've heard of guys who only noticed the slightest of axle shift. It appears some cars come from the factory not so centered and a modest lowering doesn't do much. On the other hand, other guys have said even with a 1" drop, they noticed enough axle shift to warrant the adjustable. To be safe, I'd go adjustable--and besides, you'll gain from a good stiff panhard anyway, so it's not going to be money ill-spent.
Best,
-j
The 20" wheels will negatively influence ride quality all on their own--that's what you really need to worry about. The Eibach "Pro kit" is their more mild spring set up, and it won't likely make the ride much rougher than stock. The Tokicos will allow you the most control over ride and are a good option to try and compensate for the extra rolling mass/inertia you'll be fighting with the 20"s. If you're not into serious performance handling, my guess is that you will enjoy your proposed set-up. If you want to improve performance, stay away from any wheel in the 20" range. Personally, I wouldn't go more than an 18" wheel.
The adjustable panhard is going to be specific to you. With the Pro kit, you're only lowering a bit more than an inch, and I've heard of guys who only noticed the slightest of axle shift. It appears some cars come from the factory not so centered and a modest lowering doesn't do much. On the other hand, other guys have said even with a 1" drop, they noticed enough axle shift to warrant the adjustable. To be safe, I'd go adjustable--and besides, you'll gain from a good stiff panhard anyway, so it's not going to be money ill-spent.
Best,
-j
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RE: Suspension question
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Ride,
The 20" wheels will negatively influence ride quality all on their own--that's what you really need to worry about. The Eibach "Pro kit" is their more mild spring set up, and it won't likely make the ride much rougher than stock. The Tokicos will allow you the most control over ride and are a good option to try and compensate for the extra rolling mass/inertia you'll be fighting with the 20"s. If you're not into serious performance handling, my guess is that you will enjoy your proposed set-up. If you want to improve performance, stay away from any wheel in the 20" range. Personally, I wouldn't go more than an 18" wheel.
The adjustable panhard is going to be specific to you. With the Pro kit, you're only lowering a bit more than an inch, and I've heard of guys who only noticed the slightest of axle shift. It appears some cars come from the factory not so centered and a modest lowering doesn't do much. On the other hand, other guys have said even with a 1" drop, they noticed enough axle shift to warrant the adjustable. To be safe, I'd go adjustable--and besides, you'll gain from a good stiff panhard anyway, so it's not going to be money ill-spent.
Best,
-j
Ride,
The 20" wheels will negatively influence ride quality all on their own--that's what you really need to worry about. The Eibach "Pro kit" is their more mild spring set up, and it won't likely make the ride much rougher than stock. The Tokicos will allow you the most control over ride and are a good option to try and compensate for the extra rolling mass/inertia you'll be fighting with the 20"s. If you're not into serious performance handling, my guess is that you will enjoy your proposed set-up. If you want to improve performance, stay away from any wheel in the 20" range. Personally, I wouldn't go more than an 18" wheel.
The adjustable panhard is going to be specific to you. With the Pro kit, you're only lowering a bit more than an inch, and I've heard of guys who only noticed the slightest of axle shift. It appears some cars come from the factory not so centered and a modest lowering doesn't do much. On the other hand, other guys have said even with a 1" drop, they noticed enough axle shift to warrant the adjustable. To be safe, I'd go adjustable--and besides, you'll gain from a good stiff panhard anyway, so it's not going to be money ill-spent.
Best,
-j
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Thanks for the input guys...I know full well that the 20' inch rims will slow the throttle response, etc. but I am doing it from an aesthetic standpoint. I don't race period, track or street. I do however, like to get on it once in a while, which is why I'll also get the X-cal 2.
Anybody with 20' wheels, is it immediately noticable that the car slows down? How bad is throttle response? Does the speedo reading change even though the wheel diameter is similar? I don't neccessarily like slowing my car, but the rims are already purchased...what do you guys think?
Anybody with 20' wheels, is it immediately noticable that the car slows down? How bad is throttle response? Does the speedo reading change even though the wheel diameter is similar? I don't neccessarily like slowing my car, but the rims are already purchased...what do you guys think?
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Thanks for the input guys...I know full well that the 20' inch rims will slow the throttle response, etc. but I am doing it from an aesthetic standpoint. I don't race period, track or street. I do however, like to get on it once in a while, which is why I'll also get the X-cal 2.
Anybody with 20' wheels, is it immediately noticable that the car slows down? How bad is throttle response? Does the speedo reading change even though the wheel diameter is similar? I don't neccessarily like slowing my car, but the rims are already purchased...what do you guys think?
Thanks for the input guys...I know full well that the 20' inch rims will slow the throttle response, etc. but I am doing it from an aesthetic standpoint. I don't race period, track or street. I do however, like to get on it once in a while, which is why I'll also get the X-cal 2.
Anybody with 20' wheels, is it immediately noticable that the car slows down? How bad is throttle response? Does the speedo reading change even though the wheel diameter is similar? I don't neccessarily like slowing my car, but the rims are already purchased...what do you guys think?
You'll be fine man the loss is going to be minimal and you most likely will not even be able to notice it. Like you i will not be racing be it drag strip or road coarse and I got this car to enjoy the drive and great looks it has. I am also going the 20's route although i wanted to go with 18's but since i bought the car for my wife and she wants the 20's that is what it gets and it is not big deal since these cars look so freakin good running 20's
Matter of fact i should be getting the wheels and tires installed tomorrow assuming the rear tires show up today at the tire shop.
Richard
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RE: Suspension question
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Thanks for the input guys...I know full well that the 20' inch rims will slow the throttle response, etc. but I am doing it from an aesthetic standpoint. I don't race period, track or street. I do however, like to get on it once in a while, which is why I'll also get the X-cal 2.
Anybody with 20' wheels, is it immediately noticable that the car slows down? How bad is throttle response? Does the speedo reading change even though the wheel diameter is similar? I don't neccessarily like slowing my car, but the rims are already purchased...what do you guys think?
Thanks for the input guys...I know full well that the 20' inch rims will slow the throttle response, etc. but I am doing it from an aesthetic standpoint. I don't race period, track or street. I do however, like to get on it once in a while, which is why I'll also get the X-cal 2.
Anybody with 20' wheels, is it immediately noticable that the car slows down? How bad is throttle response? Does the speedo reading change even though the wheel diameter is similar? I don't neccessarily like slowing my car, but the rims are already purchased...what do you guys think?
I have not really noticed anything since putting the 20's on. I think it may show up in times on the track, but the seat of the pants .... Butt-O-Meter would be hard pressed to report on the extra weight being spun around or any proposed loss of HP transfer from the crank to the tar. However, the ride will stiffen up a bit .. a little more bumpier than your currently used to feeling. The shocks / struts will help quite a bit.
Personally I like the "feel of the road" feeling I get mith mine. I no longer race (Street or strip) and I love the look and feel of the car. Once I finish out the suspension then I think that I will be very happy.
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RE: Suspension question
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Where and how much did you pick up the rims..
What size did you get and what style....
Inquiring minds want to know..
Where and how much did you pick up the rims..
What size did you get and what style....
Inquiring minds want to know..
I went with Foose Nitrous 20x10 out back 20x8.5 up front BFG g-Force KDW2 285/30/2 out back 245/35/20 front
And hopefully i will have pictures tomorrow or Friday.
Richard