Shelby performance, do people read or assume?
06-12-2006, 06:19 PM
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RE: Shelby performance, do people read or assume?
Good points, but this is closer to a "big block" than the 4.6 and the serious Shelby guys don't want a 4.6 and if I remember, people were very serious about getting more than 300 cubic inches. So, be careful what you ask for 'eh? 
06-12-2006, 06:42 PM
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RE: Shelby performance, do people read or assume?
Automobile Magazine has an article on the Shelby in the July issue. I started the article in the waiting room of my dentist this morning but didn't get a chance to finish it. I will pick up a copy on my way home tonight. Overall it started out very positive. I think they get the whole concept of the car. I'm certainly excited about this vehicle and what it represents.
On a side note, I keep seeing people on the vast number of threads on the Shelby talking about how it will appriciate in value so well. Does anyone over the age of 40 really believe that? With extremely rare exceptions, even exotics depriciate once they are used vehicles. They are going the make 9,000 to 11,000 of them a year for at least the next three years. That is not an exlusive number of vehicles. We will be able to buy them for MSRP eventually (and I probably will). Maybe in 30 years it will be a colectable? And maybe gas powered vehices will be outlawed? nobody should buy one as an investment.
Folks are paying a premium now because they want them NOW. This has happened with a lot of cars (remember when the Miata first came out?) and just about every time it eventually slacks off to MSRP off the lot. It's not a bad thing, just a matter of what people are willing to pay to be the first to play.
On a side note, I keep seeing people on the vast number of threads on the Shelby talking about how it will appriciate in value so well. Does anyone over the age of 40 really believe that? With extremely rare exceptions, even exotics depriciate once they are used vehicles. They are going the make 9,000 to 11,000 of them a year for at least the next three years. That is not an exlusive number of vehicles. We will be able to buy them for MSRP eventually (and I probably will). Maybe in 30 years it will be a colectable? And maybe gas powered vehices will be outlawed? nobody should buy one as an investment.
Folks are paying a premium now because they want them NOW. This has happened with a lot of cars (remember when the Miata first came out?) and just about every time it eventually slacks off to MSRP off the lot. It's not a bad thing, just a matter of what people are willing to pay to be the first to play.
06-12-2006, 06:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: Just Mark
Automobile Magazine has an article on the Shelby in the July issue. I started the article in the waiting room of my dentist this morning but didn't get a chance to finish it. I will pick up a copy on my way home tonight. Overall it started out very positive. I think they get the whole concept of the car. I'm certainly excited about this vehicle and what it represents.
On a side note, I keep seeing people on the vast number of threads on the Shelby talking about how it will appriciate in value so well. Does anyone over the age of 40 really believe that? With extremely rare exceptions, even exotics depriciate once they are used vehicles. They are going the make 9,000 to 11,000 of them a year for at least the next three years. That is not an exlusive number of vehicles. We will be able to buy them for MSRP eventually (and I probably will). Maybe in 30 years it will be a colectable? And maybe gas powered vehices will be outlawed? nobody should buy one as an investment.
Folks are paying a premium now because they want them NOW. This has happened with a lot of cars (remember when the Miata first came out?) and just about every time it eventually slacks off to MSRP off the lot. It's not a bad thing, just a matter of what people are willing to pay to be the first to play.
Automobile Magazine has an article on the Shelby in the July issue. I started the article in the waiting room of my dentist this morning but didn't get a chance to finish it. I will pick up a copy on my way home tonight. Overall it started out very positive. I think they get the whole concept of the car. I'm certainly excited about this vehicle and what it represents.
On a side note, I keep seeing people on the vast number of threads on the Shelby talking about how it will appriciate in value so well. Does anyone over the age of 40 really believe that? With extremely rare exceptions, even exotics depriciate once they are used vehicles. They are going the make 9,000 to 11,000 of them a year for at least the next three years. That is not an exlusive number of vehicles. We will be able to buy them for MSRP eventually (and I probably will). Maybe in 30 years it will be a colectable? And maybe gas powered vehices will be outlawed? nobody should buy one as an investment.
Folks are paying a premium now because they want them NOW. This has happened with a lot of cars (remember when the Miata first came out?) and just about every time it eventually slacks off to MSRP off the lot. It's not a bad thing, just a matter of what people are willing to pay to be the first to play.
06-12-2006, 07:02 PM
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I read earlier about comparing there gt with the shelby---No compariosn--Shelby hands down. Now I can afford one, but I dont like them. IMO they could of done more to this car, no so much performance but just overall styleing. Now the performance of this car, even though I dont know how you complain about a 500hp car, is just a pully swap and a gear change away from being sick and still be cheaper than a Z06---assuming you py sticker for this car. Hell if the rubber is not wide enough to grip, get bigger rims and tires problem solved.......
The thing that holds this car back is the amount of these they are going to sell--10k a year is allot and they will not hold there vaule as well as a Saleen does IMO...
I read earlier about comparing there gt with the shelby---No compariosn--Shelby hands down. Now I can afford one, but I dont like them. IMO they could of done more to this car, no so much performance but just overall styleing. Now the performance of this car, even though I dont know how you complain about a 500hp car, is just a pully swap and a gear change away from being sick and still be cheaper than a Z06---assuming you py sticker for this car. Hell if the rubber is not wide enough to grip, get bigger rims and tires problem solved.......
The thing that holds this car back is the amount of these they are going to sell--10k a year is allot and they will not hold there vaule as well as a Saleen does IMO...
06-12-2006, 07:04 PM
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and if that sounded blasphemous and you'd like me to leave this forum forever, great. open minded people please follow me out the door. no more "my car is better cause of its brand". such childishness.
06-12-2006, 07:21 PM
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problem being there that a Z06, while more expensive, is a much quicker track car, and more refined. it also screams hurt me when you get it out on the road. there's no cheap feelin in the car, PERIOD. mustangs are wonderful cars, and an over hyped shelby mustang will be an awesome car. but lets face it, you get what you pay for. think why a 500hp car is SO much cheaper than a Z06. Ford isnt trying to give you the deal of a lifetime, its because they have a certain "cheapness" about them. the interior of my steed is adequate, mainly because i could care less about creature comforts. dont get em on the job, why need em in the car right? heated/cooled leather is nice though. as is a suspension that gives and gives and never makes you cry. my stang cant HOPE to hang with a Z06, or ANY corvette out of the box. Now add more power, more weight, and an only slightly better tuned suspension. the cars are built for different things. sure, you can drag race a corvette. but thats not their point anymore. they can carve like they're glued on a rail. mustangs, naw. so for the application you want, pick a car. so you can theoreticaly have the power advantage, but you'll fall short in far more places than you win.
ORIGINAL: cableguymicah
I read earlier about comparing there gt with the shelby---No compariosn--Shelby hands down. Now I can afford one, but I dont like them. IMO they could of done more to this car, no so much performance but just overall styleing. Now the performance of this car, even though I dont know how you complain about a 500hp car, is just a pully swap and a gear change away from being sick and still be cheaper than a Z06---assuming you py sticker for this car. Hell if the rubber is not wide enough to grip, get bigger rims and tires problem solved.......
The thing that holds this car back is the amount of these they are going to sell--10k a year is allot and they will not hold there vaule as well as a Saleen does IMO...
I read earlier about comparing there gt with the shelby---No compariosn--Shelby hands down. Now I can afford one, but I dont like them. IMO they could of done more to this car, no so much performance but just overall styleing. Now the performance of this car, even though I dont know how you complain about a 500hp car, is just a pully swap and a gear change away from being sick and still be cheaper than a Z06---assuming you py sticker for this car. Hell if the rubber is not wide enough to grip, get bigger rims and tires problem solved.......
The thing that holds this car back is the amount of these they are going to sell--10k a year is allot and they will not hold there vaule as well as a Saleen does IMO...
Though I agree with you to certin degree. You really cant compare the two --they are two different cars--If you want to compare a ford to a z06, you dont have to look far, NO not the Ford Gt--the saleen extreme,weights about 300lbs more but has 50 more hp and handle like a dream--I think if you have to find a ford that compares to the z06 the extreme is the best for that--power,handleing,cost, luxuary
06-12-2006, 07:50 PM
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RE: Shelby performance, do people read or assume?
ORIGINAL: Andys06GT
problem being there that a Z06, while more expensive, is a much quicker track car, and more refined. it also screams hurt me when you get it out on the road. there's no cheap feelin in the car, PERIOD. mustangs are wonderful cars, and an over hyped shelby mustang will be an awesome car. but lets face it, you get what you pay for. think why a 500hp car is SO much cheaper than a Z06. Ford isnt trying to give you the deal of a lifetime, its because they have a certain "cheapness" about them. the interior of my steed is adequate, mainly because i could care less about creature comforts. dont get em on the job, why need em in the car right? heated/cooled leather is nice though. as is a suspension that gives and gives and never makes you cry. my stang cant HOPE to hang with a Z06, or ANY corvette out of the box. Now add more power, more weight, and an only slightly better tuned suspension. the cars are built for different things. sure, you can drag race a corvette. but thats not their point anymore. they can carve like they're glued on a rail. mustangs, naw. so for the application you want, pick a car. so you can theoreticaly have the power advantage, but you'll fall short in far more places than you win.
ORIGINAL: cableguymicah
I read earlier about comparing there gt with the shelby---No compariosn--Shelby hands down. Now I can afford one, but I dont like them. IMO they could of done more to this car, no so much performance but just overall styleing. Now the performance of this car, even though I dont know how you complain about a 500hp car, is just a pully swap and a gear change away from being sick and still be cheaper than a Z06---assuming you py sticker for this car. Hell if the rubber is not wide enough to grip, get bigger rims and tires problem solved.......
The thing that holds this car back is the amount of these they are going to sell--10k a year is allot and they will not hold there vaule as well as a Saleen does IMO...
I read earlier about comparing there gt with the shelby---No compariosn--Shelby hands down. Now I can afford one, but I dont like them. IMO they could of done more to this car, no so much performance but just overall styleing. Now the performance of this car, even though I dont know how you complain about a 500hp car, is just a pully swap and a gear change away from being sick and still be cheaper than a Z06---assuming you py sticker for this car. Hell if the rubber is not wide enough to grip, get bigger rims and tires problem solved.......
The thing that holds this car back is the amount of these they are going to sell--10k a year is allot and they will not hold there vaule as well as a Saleen does IMO...
06-12-2006, 08:00 PM
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RE: Shelby performance, do people read or assume?
Sorry, the shelby is a nice car, but ford really missed the mark regarding overall weight, and handling due to very poor weight distribution. There is no getting around that. The original gt500 had better weight bias. My parents hemi jeep grand cherokee is close to 50/50. Chrysler 300c close to 50/50.
Ford realized that regardless of what the car weighed and how it handled that they can sell 9K a year at a markup. Smart guys. But in truth, I dont think they did too great of a job on the finer points. Would it have been a perfect car had they tried harder. No. But at 4000lb and 60/40 distribution, it is guaranteed not to be a stellar handling car. And believe it or not, its weight distribution may be one of the big reasons the car cannot hook up at the track. Every article and test drive has complained about the blower not being twin screw, the weight causing poor handling compared with the GT. And lack luster performance, that the so called 200hp increase just wasent earth shattering because of the weight.
As far as the tirespin, so it doesent hook up. Does that mean it is fast?? No, it means that professional drivers tested the car to the best of their ability and were only able to generate low 13's/ high 12's in the quarter and 0-60 in 4.7. So because of suspension design and weight bias the car cant hook up. To say that it has so much horsepower but cant use it is useless. Did anyone catch the article in motor trend (not my favorite mag). They ran a few tuned cars againt the ZO6. Some had 1000 HP. They did nothing earth shattering compared to a ZO6 and cost alot more. They couldent hook up, but regardless, they still tooK t seconds to go from point a to point b.
Not that it has anything to do with the mustang,
but since you brought it up
And the new 599 ferrari is overweight as well sorry to say. But it has perfect slightly REAR biased weight distribution and is still a front engined automobile. And according to the articles I have read, 80% of the cars heft is within the wheelbase and very low in the car with a very low unsprung weight. And you cant say that ferrari did not try to keep the weight down with a ton of carbon fibre. And regardless of the weight, it handles amazingly enough to be faster than a F40 which was essentially a race car slightly modified to be street legal. The 599 is a luxury car in comparison to the F40.
I would still rather have a ZO6 to beat on than the ferrari though.
Ford realized that regardless of what the car weighed and how it handled that they can sell 9K a year at a markup. Smart guys. But in truth, I dont think they did too great of a job on the finer points. Would it have been a perfect car had they tried harder. No. But at 4000lb and 60/40 distribution, it is guaranteed not to be a stellar handling car. And believe it or not, its weight distribution may be one of the big reasons the car cannot hook up at the track. Every article and test drive has complained about the blower not being twin screw, the weight causing poor handling compared with the GT. And lack luster performance, that the so called 200hp increase just wasent earth shattering because of the weight.
As far as the tirespin, so it doesent hook up. Does that mean it is fast?? No, it means that professional drivers tested the car to the best of their ability and were only able to generate low 13's/ high 12's in the quarter and 0-60 in 4.7. So because of suspension design and weight bias the car cant hook up. To say that it has so much horsepower but cant use it is useless. Did anyone catch the article in motor trend (not my favorite mag). They ran a few tuned cars againt the ZO6. Some had 1000 HP. They did nothing earth shattering compared to a ZO6 and cost alot more. They couldent hook up, but regardless, they still tooK t seconds to go from point a to point b.
Not that it has anything to do with the mustang,
but since you brought it up
And the new 599 ferrari is overweight as well sorry to say. But it has perfect slightly REAR biased weight distribution and is still a front engined automobile. And according to the articles I have read, 80% of the cars heft is within the wheelbase and very low in the car with a very low unsprung weight. And you cant say that ferrari did not try to keep the weight down with a ton of carbon fibre. And regardless of the weight, it handles amazingly enough to be faster than a F40 which was essentially a race car slightly modified to be street legal. The 599 is a luxury car in comparison to the F40.
I would still rather have a ZO6 to beat on than the ferrari though.
06-12-2006, 08:46 PM
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RE: Shelby performance, do people read or assume?
** News Flash ** Ford did not build the new Shelby with the intention of pleasing everyone. With only 8 - 10K being built each year for 2 years they obviously don't care or want everyone to have one. This is a collector car for Mustang lovers, plain and simple. If you don't like it, don't buy it, shouldn't be too hard to avoid. If you really like it good luck getting your hands on one. I, for one, will be jealous of the new Shelby owners, they will get a piece of history. Instead of spending so much time whining about what it doesn't have or do, can't you be thankful that they are still in production. How many muscle cars have a 43 year record equal to that of the Mustang. Compare it to whatever you want, it's still a tribute to the Mustang, maybe a little overhyped, but it worked in boosting Mustang sales across the US and elsewhere. I've worked my butt off to get my little piece of history and I'm grateful to have it, not everyone has FUN driving their car.