HIDS???
12-14-2007, 02:32 AM
#11
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RE: HIDS???
I bought my kit from Retro-Solutions. I have yet to install it due to my headlight lens having water inside and hoping the dealer will fix it. There is a thread about the kit and it seems like the best deal around.
https://mustangforums.com/m_4190083/tm.htm
https://mustangforums.com/m_4190083/tm.htm
12-14-2007, 05:05 AM
#12
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RE: HIDS???
ORIGINAL: gothamems
Dude save yourself alot of aggrivation and money, and replace your stock head lamps with 8500K-9000K bulbs. My 2008 came through with HIDs but the fogs, well looked like a$$, very yellow in comparison, I swaped the fog lamps out with 8500Ks, and they look dam close. BTW, 8500K is a spectrum value, the lower the number the more yellow it looks, the hiher the number the more blue it looks, 8500K is a crisp HID white.
Dude save yourself alot of aggrivation and money, and replace your stock head lamps with 8500K-9000K bulbs. My 2008 came through with HIDs but the fogs, well looked like a$$, very yellow in comparison, I swaped the fog lamps out with 8500Ks, and they look dam close. BTW, 8500K is a spectrum value, the lower the number the more yellow it looks, the hiher the number the more blue it looks, 8500K is a crisp HID white.
12-14-2007, 06:55 AM
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RE: HIDS???
ORIGINAL: olvanish
Actually 6000k is white, 8 is blue, 10 is dark blue and 12 is purple. If it's 8500k and it's white then it's not 8500k. But I agree with the statement above though, don't get yourself HID's, too much money, a little headache, and too little difference between them and regular Silverstar Ultras... not worth it I'd say (pls note, it's coming from someone who has them)
ORIGINAL: gothamems
Dude save yourself alot of aggrivation and money, and replace your stock head lamps with 8500K-9000K bulbs. My 2008 came through with HIDs but the fogs, well looked like a$$, very yellow in comparison, I swaped the fog lamps out with 8500Ks, and they look dam close. BTW, 8500K is a spectrum value, the lower the number the more yellow it looks, the hiher the number the more blue it looks, 8500K is a crisp HID white.
Dude save yourself alot of aggrivation and money, and replace your stock head lamps with 8500K-9000K bulbs. My 2008 came through with HIDs but the fogs, well looked like a$$, very yellow in comparison, I swaped the fog lamps out with 8500Ks, and they look dam close. BTW, 8500K is a spectrum value, the lower the number the more yellow it looks, the hiher the number the more blue it looks, 8500K is a crisp HID white.
The thing is the Silverstar Ultras last about 4-6 months, I'm not sure how that compares to the HIDs and how long do they last?
12-14-2007, 08:16 AM
#14
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RE: HIDS???
Most aftermarket HID's utilize a re-based D2R capsule (2nd generation, reflector based HID) and use ballasts that are Phillips knock-offs. These ballasts have a fake plastic cap in-between the high-voltage output and the low-voltage input leads. They also have a built-in ignitor negating the need to mount separate ignitors.
Here are some interesting tid-bits.
OEM's generally equip their cars with 4100K HID's, and most commonly use D2R, D2S, and even D1S capsules. The "S" stands for "shielding" typically used in projector lamps. OEM's sell 5000K HIDs as replacements so the color temperature matches the other HID. They don't tell you to replace both at the same time because it can cost up to $300 per capsule!
The "S" HID capsules produce 3200 lumens and are rated for 2500 hours. Between 2500-5000 hours of operation, the color temperature rises until ti becomes pink. The "R" HID capsules are rated for 2800 lumens, same lifespan.
The 2008 Mustang has optional HIDs which use D3R capsules. D3 is 3rd generation. 3rd and 4th gen HIDs are mercury-free and produce the same amount of light as their 1st and 2nd gen counterparts.
I am using 4100K VVME BI-xenon HIDs in my Crown Vic and find that these lights are significantly brighter than halogens, but will easily exploit poorly designed reflectors and lamp assemblies. I feel that our S197 GT's have very good headlamps so HID retrofits will work nicely with a very sharp cut-off and less light leakage.
4100ks look white with a very slight tint of blue. I do not recommend 5000K or higher because it will be too blue and actually produce less light. Daylight is supposed to be about 5800K, but I'm telling you that 4100K looks white with a slight tint of blue. I can actually see the solar-tinting on my windshield turn the white light a slight tint of green/blue. 5000K-6000K is going to look more blue than white, so to each his/her own.
In comparison, the H13/9008 Halogens used in the S197s produce 1000 lumens in low beam and 1300 lumens in high beam. So we're looking at roughly 3 times more light and only 2-3 times longer lifespan with HIDs.
Retrofitting the 2008 OEM HIDs into a 2005-2007 would be the best way to go, followed by installing a 4100K HID retrofit for the foglamps.
Here are some interesting tid-bits.
OEM's generally equip their cars with 4100K HID's, and most commonly use D2R, D2S, and even D1S capsules. The "S" stands for "shielding" typically used in projector lamps. OEM's sell 5000K HIDs as replacements so the color temperature matches the other HID. They don't tell you to replace both at the same time because it can cost up to $300 per capsule!
The "S" HID capsules produce 3200 lumens and are rated for 2500 hours. Between 2500-5000 hours of operation, the color temperature rises until ti becomes pink. The "R" HID capsules are rated for 2800 lumens, same lifespan.
The 2008 Mustang has optional HIDs which use D3R capsules. D3 is 3rd generation. 3rd and 4th gen HIDs are mercury-free and produce the same amount of light as their 1st and 2nd gen counterparts.
I am using 4100K VVME BI-xenon HIDs in my Crown Vic and find that these lights are significantly brighter than halogens, but will easily exploit poorly designed reflectors and lamp assemblies. I feel that our S197 GT's have very good headlamps so HID retrofits will work nicely with a very sharp cut-off and less light leakage.
4100ks look white with a very slight tint of blue. I do not recommend 5000K or higher because it will be too blue and actually produce less light. Daylight is supposed to be about 5800K, but I'm telling you that 4100K looks white with a slight tint of blue. I can actually see the solar-tinting on my windshield turn the white light a slight tint of green/blue. 5000K-6000K is going to look more blue than white, so to each his/her own.
In comparison, the H13/9008 Halogens used in the S197s produce 1000 lumens in low beam and 1300 lumens in high beam. So we're looking at roughly 3 times more light and only 2-3 times longer lifespan with HIDs.
Retrofitting the 2008 OEM HIDs into a 2005-2007 would be the best way to go, followed by installing a 4100K HID retrofit for the foglamps.
12-14-2007, 11:16 AM
#17
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RE: HIDS???
ORIGINAL: metroplex
Most aftermarket HID's utilize a re-based D2R capsule (2nd generation, reflector based HID) and use ballasts that are Phillips knock-offs. These ballasts have a fake plastic cap in-between the high-voltage output and the low-voltage input leads. They also have a built-in ignitor negating the need to mount separate ignitors.
Here are some interesting tid-bits.
OEM's generally equip their cars with 4100K HID's, and most commonly use D2R, D2S, and even D1S capsules. The "S" stands for "shielding" typically used in projector lamps. OEM's sell 5000K HIDs as replacements so the color temperature matches the other HID. They don't tell you to replace both at the same time because it can cost up to $300 per capsule!
The "S" HID capsules produce 3200 lumens and are rated for 2500 hours. Between 2500-5000 hours of operation, the color temperature rises until ti becomes pink. The "R" HID capsules are rated for 2800 lumens, same lifespan.
The 2008 Mustang has optional HIDs which use D3R capsules. D3 is 3rd generation. 3rd and 4th gen HIDs are mercury-free and produce the same amount of light as their 1st and 2nd gen counterparts.
I am using 4100K VVME BI-xenon HIDs in my Crown Vic and find that these lights are significantly brighter than halogens, but will easily exploit poorly designed reflectors and lamp assemblies. I feel that our S197 GT's have very good headlamps so HID retrofits will work nicely with a very sharp cut-off and less light leakage.
4100ks look white with a very slight tint of blue. I do not recommend 5000K or higher because it will be too blue and actually produce less light. Daylight is supposed to be about 5800K, but I'm telling you that 4100K looks white with a slight tint of blue. I can actually see the solar-tinting on my windshield turn the white light a slight tint of green/blue. 5000K-6000K is going to look more blue than white, so to each his/her own.
In comparison, the H13/9008 Halogens used in the S197s produce 1000 lumens in low beam and 1300 lumens in high beam. So we're looking at roughly 3 times more light and only 2-3 times longer lifespan with HIDs.
Retrofitting the 2008 OEM HIDs into a 2005-2007 would be the best way to go, followed by installing a 4100K HID retrofit for the foglamps.
Most aftermarket HID's utilize a re-based D2R capsule (2nd generation, reflector based HID) and use ballasts that are Phillips knock-offs. These ballasts have a fake plastic cap in-between the high-voltage output and the low-voltage input leads. They also have a built-in ignitor negating the need to mount separate ignitors.
Here are some interesting tid-bits.
OEM's generally equip their cars with 4100K HID's, and most commonly use D2R, D2S, and even D1S capsules. The "S" stands for "shielding" typically used in projector lamps. OEM's sell 5000K HIDs as replacements so the color temperature matches the other HID. They don't tell you to replace both at the same time because it can cost up to $300 per capsule!
The "S" HID capsules produce 3200 lumens and are rated for 2500 hours. Between 2500-5000 hours of operation, the color temperature rises until ti becomes pink. The "R" HID capsules are rated for 2800 lumens, same lifespan.
The 2008 Mustang has optional HIDs which use D3R capsules. D3 is 3rd generation. 3rd and 4th gen HIDs are mercury-free and produce the same amount of light as their 1st and 2nd gen counterparts.
I am using 4100K VVME BI-xenon HIDs in my Crown Vic and find that these lights are significantly brighter than halogens, but will easily exploit poorly designed reflectors and lamp assemblies. I feel that our S197 GT's have very good headlamps so HID retrofits will work nicely with a very sharp cut-off and less light leakage.
4100ks look white with a very slight tint of blue. I do not recommend 5000K or higher because it will be too blue and actually produce less light. Daylight is supposed to be about 5800K, but I'm telling you that 4100K looks white with a slight tint of blue. I can actually see the solar-tinting on my windshield turn the white light a slight tint of green/blue. 5000K-6000K is going to look more blue than white, so to each his/her own.
In comparison, the H13/9008 Halogens used in the S197s produce 1000 lumens in low beam and 1300 lumens in high beam. So we're looking at roughly 3 times more light and only 2-3 times longer lifespan with HIDs.
Retrofitting the 2008 OEM HIDs into a 2005-2007 would be the best way to go, followed by installing a 4100K HID retrofit for the foglamps.
12-14-2007, 03:41 PM
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RE: HIDS???
https://mustangforums.com/m_4236581/tm.htm
can't get much cheaper than that and they are decent quality.
can't get much cheaper than that and they are decent quality.
12-14-2007, 03:54 PM
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RE: HIDS???
ORIGINAL: Full Throttle
The thing is the Silverstar Ultras last about 4-6 months, I'm not sure how that compares to the HIDs and how long do they last?
ORIGINAL: olvanish
Actually 6000k is white, 8 is blue, 10 is dark blue and 12 is purple. If it's 8500k and it's white then it's not 8500k. But I agree with the statement above though, don't get yourself HID's, too much money, a little headache, and too little difference between them and regular Silverstar Ultras... not worth it I'd say (pls note, it's coming from someone who has them)
ORIGINAL: gothamems
Dude save yourself alot of aggrivation and money, and replace your stock head lamps with 8500K-9000K bulbs. My 2008 came through with HIDs but the fogs, well looked like a$$, very yellow in comparison, I swaped the fog lamps out with 8500Ks, and they look dam close. BTW, 8500K is a spectrum value, the lower the number the more yellow it looks, the hiher the number the more blue it looks, 8500K is a crisp HID white.
Dude save yourself alot of aggrivation and money, and replace your stock head lamps with 8500K-9000K bulbs. My 2008 came through with HIDs but the fogs, well looked like a$$, very yellow in comparison, I swaped the fog lamps out with 8500Ks, and they look dam close. BTW, 8500K is a spectrum value, the lower the number the more yellow it looks, the hiher the number the more blue it looks, 8500K is a crisp HID white.
The thing is the Silverstar Ultras last about 4-6 months, I'm not sure how that compares to the HIDs and how long do they last?
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