Whipple, Saleen, or Kenne Bell
 

I am shopping for a positive displacement S/C. Things i am taking into consideration are completeness, cost, reliability, and longevity. My end goal isfor the car to be able tobe driven every day (if i feel the need) and from one ocean to another (again if i feel the need). I want an intercooled system with 450 whp or so.I think that this number was believed to be the maximum safe level on a stock motor. I have spoke with the folks at ProDyno who tuned my car, and was assured that higher levels are attainable on a stock motordependingupon the tune. At first I was leaning towad the Saleen system. Brenspeed sells a kit that comes with injectors, steeda intake, boost-a-pump, tuner(i already have). The problem, so i've heard with the boost-a-pump is that if it becomes overheated the fuse can blow and cause the af mixture to go lean and cause possible damage. I'm not sure if this system has its own oil supply or if the pan has to be tapped. A heat exchanger is an extra $400 as well. I have delt with brenspeed a bit and like them very much. Prices start at $5200 and go up to $6400 and some change depending on psi and thestage 4 kit comes with a GT500 fuel pump.I recently started looking into the kenne bell and whipples.

The kb 8-13psi intercooled kit is nice. It comes with bap, injectors, and flash tool. It has its own oil supply as well. Price $5800.

I just started looking into the whippleand im kind of leaning in that direction. Whipple has been around for quite a while and was one of the first companies to adopt twin screw technology. They have also teamed up with ford racing and worked with them exclusively on the 3v mod motor. Their 10psi HO kit comes with a huge heat exchanger, injectors, intake, GT500 fuel pump, and a tuner (again i have).This system utilizes it'sown oil supply as well.price for the black finish is $6079.

I glanced at the magnuson/steeda chargers but am kind of turned off by there relative small size and that offset axial shaft think that it uses. Anybody know what i'm talking about here?

I applolgize about the length here but I'd really like to hear from some owners of said systems or any subject matter experts whose input may aid in my decision. This is my welcome home from Iraq gift to myself! Many thanks for input from owners and technicians.

HUTCH

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Run down:

KB/Mangusen = worst supechargers

Saleen = Cheepest and Most Reliable also commes with a 3 year warranty

Whipple = best but hugely expensive, also commes with a 1 year warranty or 3 years if you use the lo-po kit and put it on the day you buy the car, also most efficient. The con is they produce horsepower so safely that you can blow the transmission if you run too much hp.

I'm actually getting ready to order a boost-a-pump over replacing my fuel pump myself, could you point me to the info you read that talks about the boost-a-pump blowing the fuel pump fuse and then leaning out the engine?

Also what does everyone think of the boost-a-pump claim that it evens out the battery voltage for the fuel pump? Is that worth it to get the boost-a-pump on it's own? I assumed it was too good to be true when i read it but figured i would get it anyway just to even out the fuel flow and then replace the pumps when the BAP topped working... if i find it has issues on boost i may still install it.

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What exactly makes you think the Kenne Bell superchargers are the worst? There are SEVERAL people that use them and are perfectly happy with them.

OP, I don't know much about the Magnuson, but the Kenne Bell and Whipple units are outstanding. One issue with some of the older Saleen superchargers was that they weren't very efficient because they used a Roots type setup (KB and Whipple have twin screw setups)...however, they may have updated them recently.

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I never said that KB was the worst. I said that Initially i was leaning toward the Saleen(which is a twin screw btw). Now I am leaning toward the Whipple. Part of my search criteria is completness. The saleen is available with the GT500 fuel system in the stage 4 package from Brenspeed. The pump is standard with the Whipple. I have heard, read(on the KB website) and know fellas that run these sc on their cars. They come highly regarded. I haven't ruled them out intirely. I am however, leaning more toward the Whipple.

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This is the best "which s/c" thread i have seen created! Good job!!

Whipple/KB/Saleen are all very nice. I am sure that people will help you get the correct one for your application.

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Y thank you howarmat, I certainly hope so.

Legion5, the issue with the bap fuse came up during a conversation with Dan at ProDyno. He is a level 4 SCT tuner and I completely trust his expertise. I don't think I could ask for a more knowledgable and talented person to tune my Mustang.

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paxton

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I just like the completeness of the whipple H.O. kit and the polished version looks great. Regardless of finish the S/C is great for everything you described. I love the pull in 4th and 5th gear and a custom tune or the whipple tune are best with this S/C IMO. Car feels like a big block after the install. No tapping of oil lines and the oil doen't need to be changed but once every 100,000 miles unles you track the car get it done more often (every 50,000 miles?). I have no complaints or drawbacks IMO with this system.

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RE: Whipple, Saleen, or Kenne Bell
 

they're all good, just choose one

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My preference will be whipple.

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I appreciate the responses. The more research i'm conducting, the more i am wanting the Whipple. I think i may go that route. Man that polished one looks bangin'! Now i have another problem. I have a CDC shaker on my car right now. I know that it won't work with a twin screw or roots s/c as far as i know. So what to do with the hole in the hood. I thought about covering it with a scoop. My car is done up to look like a 1970 mach1 and the shaker pulls off that look. Cervini's sells a mach1 style hood scoop they call the m1. It comes with or without the turn sicnals in them. This would keep the look that i want correct. In 1969/1970 the mach 1's hoods came three ways. No hood scoop, hood scoop, shaker(428 cobra jet). I just hope that the scoop is wide enough to cover the hole in the hood. Guess i'll have to get the deminsions from them. Anyoneelse run into or know someone that had similar issues? Thanks again.

HUTCH

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Do you have any pictures of your hood/shaker setup?

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Procharger.

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Um...positive displacement supercharger. Yes i have some recent pictures. I'll post some.

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Here's the shaker with the JLT.

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All of your choices are nice but I'd be going with the Whipple H/O kit.

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Don't get Magnuson.

I raced a 06' GT (man)with the magnuson S/C the other night and owned it. And I have an 05' X-Charger (auto).

We only did about a 1/4 mile, if that...he probably would have beat me in the long run. But still, for a supercharged GT to lose to a supercharged V6? It's sad.

Anyways, reason I know this is because I talked to the guy after stopping at a 7-11 lol.

So...my vote is...don't go with magnuson. You can say I'm BSing if you want, but it is what it is. I've seen Kenne Bell on a GT500 and it kicked ass, but not sure how it would be on a GT. Whipple is the usual S/C people go for, and its the most popular. But might not be whats for you.

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You haven't mentioned who's doing the install (and final tuning, if any). Only then can I give you an honest opinion.

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So does this mean you'll be selling that cdc shaker? ;)
I'm in love with the look of those things.

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I've seen MANY cars with Kenne Bells have to put ice bags on their S/Cs because they overheat, whereas the Whipples that put out the same #'s are still running at the track...I LOVE my whipple and think that at car shows when my hood is raisedit's the better looking of the 2...

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turboooooos :P

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I have talked with many people and read a lot about the Whipple. The Roush is good. But, under powered. And the Whipple is the Shiznit! Everyone who I know owns one praises it. Also, I knowa guy who bought a vehicle just because it had a whipple on it. So, I say Whipple.

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I plan on having ProDyno do the install and tune. There is nobody anywhere around the Carolinas that can do a better job in my opinion. I've used them once and would recommend them to anyone! (Especially if you are as nit picky about your baby as i am!) Yes the shaker will be for sale, as well as a JLT intake, and a set of Steeda pulleys.

HUTCH

RE: Whipple, Saleen, or Kenne Bell
 

Whipple

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Are you sure its because they overheat, or they are trying to ice it down at the drag strip? Has anyone looked at the newest (or month old) issue of MM&FF? They have a system in there that "substitutes" an intercooler with a tank that goes in the trunk where the spare tire goes and you run lines back and forth from the blower blah blah...

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ya, they were using some type of thermometer on it and were saying how the car was overheating. That article you are talking about doesn't replace the intercooler...it adds to the intercooler and is just an extra little thing you can do to squeeze more rwhp outta your car.;)I wonder though since you brought that article up if you could run around or over 500 rwhp with a little more aggressive tune or more boost since the temperatures are cooler...maybe that'd stop the engine from overheating...and also from creating too much heat and breaking rods...?[&:]

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Wow! I'm suprised how many more votes there are for the whipple over the other two. That's interesting. It's been brought to my attention that saleen is working on a shaker charger. I'm going to look into that. I wonder if the hole in the hood would match up...

HUTCH

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There's going to be some production issues for the first year at least with the newer S/C because usually when new products are out there will be minor changes made to it to fix certain issues foundout in the real world...I'd personally talk to your installer about what they have the most experience with and if it's not the unit you want then you can talk to them about the cons, but the Whipple has been proven time and time again to be hands down the best unit as far as complete kit and power. No one has really ask this...but what are your plans for your car as far as power being put down? If I had to do it all over again I would have gone with a short block with forged internals and a stroker kit and then put on the kit that ST Motorsports has put together for the whipple from the GT500:D

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Power between 450 and 475 rwhp. But reliable enough to be driven every day and on long trips if i want. I know i may end up with even more power than this. I talked to my tuner. He has done whipple installs and tunes. Every car is different. Some cars mar run rich(hence loosing power) and some may run lean with the whipple tune and some may be on the money. I am going to have him tune my car though.

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go turbo buddy

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Nope. Twin Screw supercharger.

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procharger, pal.

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Vortech, buddy

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procharger