Buying an LT-Midpipe Combo
I think this dude is super confused... lets lose the midpipe terminology for the sake of the convo.... Look.. you Need LT's... *long tubes* you need a X or H pipe... If you can get it inspected without cats... then you can get the Offroad pipes... if you need cats to pass inspection then you must get the Catted H or catted X... Cats do muffle the noise... but you gotta have nearly the loudest cat-back system to be TOO loud to get pulled or the cop is having a bad day... dont be ignorent and wale on it in a neighborhood or around town *if you live in a little town* and you should be fine. Catback exhaust systems Mean.... simply that... its an exhaust from your cats... to the back of your car.... hope that helps...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukoZt09SZ6w
all right, so I took you guys' youtube advice, and I want that setup. Thanks guys!
all right, so I took you guys' youtube advice, and I want that setup. Thanks guys!
I love my Kooks LTs and offroad H pipe. Yes, the kooks are on the more expensive side, but EVERYTHING i've read says that your get what you pay for. Kooks slid in and fit perfectly on the car and make a sick sound too.
best price here (see the other thread for free coating deal)
http://marylandspeed.com/kooks-long-...oh-p-2266.html
comparison of other LTS
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/tec...ers/index.html
How it sounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB83lFNldBg
Silas, the visual inspection here in TX checks the exhaust system for completeness, and sealing. Having LTs isn't going to count against you, but having no Cats will (unless you've got a guy that's willing to take a bribe to break the law and pass you anyway). If you live in an emissions testing county you will absolutely need the cats, as you will fail the OBD-II monitor/readiness tests without them, and (again with the bribing) I'm almost certain you'd fail the tail-pipe sniffer as well.
There ARE guys on here with LTs and catted pipes that have tunes that are good for passing emissions inspections. I'm not sure what tubes and whose cats they're running, but that would be a good idea to find out.
There ARE guys on here with LTs and catted pipes that have tunes that are good for passing emissions inspections. I'm not sure what tubes and whose cats they're running, but that would be a good idea to find out.
Ugh, didn't know that, so Kooks LTs would be okay, and Kooks Catted X pipe would be fine?
What about the Muffler system? Would a Pypes Mid-Muffler system pass?
Also I live in the DFW area if that helps.
What about the Muffler system? Would a Pypes Mid-Muffler system pass?
Also I live in the DFW area if that helps.
Last edited by UpTo11; Nov 25, 2009 at 10:02 AM.
This is the testing procedure for the safety test that is required in all counties of TX, as it pertains to exhaust system inspection. There's more information on it at the site I posted, and more to the exhaust part, this is just what they're looking at.
So, as long as the muffler is there, and not leaking, you're in good shape if you want to go with a mid-muffler system.
And, according to the Texas DPS DFW area is an emissions testing zone. So, your cats have to be in, and functioning. I think the Kooks are one of the setups that's easier to tune for to keep the OBD-II stuff happy. Contact your tuner of choice though, and explain what you need and see if they can do it and what products they recommend. If Kooks offers a catted H, that would be my preference just for the sound, but if you choice is (f'rinstance) LTs and an X you know will pass, or LTs and an H that's iffy, I'd go with the X for convenience sake.
...The catalytic converter will be considered as a part of the exhaust system on all vehicles prior to 1984 year model and will be inspected only visually (if present) for leakage. On 1984 and later model light truck and passenger vehicles, the catalytic converter will be checked for presence and leakage. Flexible tubing which meets the requirements listed below may be used anywhere in the exhaust system...
NOTE: Inspection of exhaust systems covers the discharge of exhaust fumes and is not concerned with the noise level.
1. Inspection Procedure. The exhaust system shall be examined visually while the engine is running to determine efficiency of the system.
2. Inspect for and reject if:
a. Vehicle is not equipped with a muffler.
b. Any joint is loose or leaking, including manifolds. Does not include minor leakage at exhaust control valve (manifold damper or heat riser valve).
c. Manifold is cracked or broken causing leakage.
d. Holes, leaking seams, or patches on the muffler, resonators, exhaust pipe, tailpipe, or catalytic converter.
e. Exhaust system is not secured to the vehicle by mounting brackets designed for exhaust systems (wire is not acceptable).
f. Any brackets are loose, broken, or missing.
g. There is excessive vibration of exhaust line.
h. Any part of the exhaust system passes through the passenger compartment.
i. The tailpipe is broken, pinched, or eroded off to the extent to allow exhaust fumes to penetrate into the interior of the passenger compartment.
j. The tailpipe fails to discharge exhaust from the rear or sides or top of the passenger compartment of the vehicle.
NOTE: Holes in the exhaust system made by the manufacturer for drainage are not cause for rejection. The tailpipe must direct the exhaust fumes out from under the passenger compartment.
NOTE: Inspection of exhaust systems covers the discharge of exhaust fumes and is not concerned with the noise level.
1. Inspection Procedure. The exhaust system shall be examined visually while the engine is running to determine efficiency of the system.
2. Inspect for and reject if:
a. Vehicle is not equipped with a muffler.
b. Any joint is loose or leaking, including manifolds. Does not include minor leakage at exhaust control valve (manifold damper or heat riser valve).
c. Manifold is cracked or broken causing leakage.
d. Holes, leaking seams, or patches on the muffler, resonators, exhaust pipe, tailpipe, or catalytic converter.
e. Exhaust system is not secured to the vehicle by mounting brackets designed for exhaust systems (wire is not acceptable).
f. Any brackets are loose, broken, or missing.
g. There is excessive vibration of exhaust line.
h. Any part of the exhaust system passes through the passenger compartment.
i. The tailpipe is broken, pinched, or eroded off to the extent to allow exhaust fumes to penetrate into the interior of the passenger compartment.
j. The tailpipe fails to discharge exhaust from the rear or sides or top of the passenger compartment of the vehicle.
NOTE: Holes in the exhaust system made by the manufacturer for drainage are not cause for rejection. The tailpipe must direct the exhaust fumes out from under the passenger compartment.
And, according to the Texas DPS DFW area is an emissions testing zone. So, your cats have to be in, and functioning. I think the Kooks are one of the setups that's easier to tune for to keep the OBD-II stuff happy. Contact your tuner of choice though, and explain what you need and see if they can do it and what products they recommend. If Kooks offers a catted H, that would be my preference just for the sound, but if you choice is (f'rinstance) LTs and an X you know will pass, or LTs and an H that's iffy, I'd go with the X for convenience sake.
Last edited by Kotobuki; Nov 25, 2009 at 10:22 AM.
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