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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by stealth_GT
I can remove or install my kit (non-intercooled) and back to only CAI/Tune in about 45 minutes. There really is nothing to it. I really like my Vortech, even if I had to take it off during the winter. It makes great power and in a very easy simple set up.. pretty much just a compressor housing, intercooler (once it arrives) and piping.
Ill definately go this route since its easy to install. I like to drive at high RPM's anyway and dont care about filling up either. Im a complete novice at this game, so im sure this will provide all the power i need when installed. I wonder how much hp i can get out of a unit such as this with average and safe amount of boost. Im just trying to calculate how much the additional horsepower will cost me. Thanks
Old Apr 4, 2011 | 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JAMAMAN
Ill definately go this route since its easy to install. I like to drive at high RPM's anyway and dont care about filling up either. Im a complete novice at this game, so im sure this will provide all the power i need when installed. I wonder how much hp i can get out of a unit such as this with average and safe amount of boost. Im just trying to calculate how much the additional horsepower will cost me. Thanks
What part of Canada do you live in?? If it gets anything colder then 25 degrees, you may actually want a roots or TVS because you're not gonna want a centri during the winter- look up my thread "Vortech winter woes".

Don't let the whole "high rpm" thing fool you. Thats "peak" whp. You'll still be making alot more hp than a bolt on NA throughout the power band. If you ever driven a high hp turbo car, it's very much the same thing.. but a VERY large turbo lol I kid you not.. it seriously looks like a giant friggin turbo! lulz

It's a great blower, and pretty much as simple as a basic bolt on. You're pretty much just modifying a few hoses and electronic connections, taking out some bolts, in order to bolt on the supercharger mounting plate and the intercooler/piping and you're done.

The High out put kit (either V3 or Paxtons 2200), you can safely make 480whp w/93 octane gas or 450 w/90 octane. It's cool as long as you don't do anything foolish. Err.. if you're a novice, I'd be very careful because it's a lot of power to the wheels. Even at 380whp it felt more like 400-410whp...
Old Apr 4, 2011 | 01:55 AM
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I'll let you know what I think when my TVS is on ..............With the TVS their is no going back, to many mods to wiring and a few other things. So far install hasn't been to bad at all. Taking a little longer than I had hoped but nothing that hasn't been fairly easy to overcome and move on from. Hope to have it finished and running tomorrow night. My install thread will give you an idea of what comes off and gets modified up to the intercooler radiator install step which comes tomorrow.

https://mustangforums.com/forum/gt-s...on-thread.html
Old Apr 4, 2011 | 03:30 AM
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Just so you know there will soon be a kit that uses a take off GT500 blower. Prices are going start at around $3700. The kit should be available in May or early june. I post a link later right now I'm going to bed.

for the sixers, not a kit but possible.
http://www.mustangcollective.com/showthread.php?t=23950


Contact Sqidd, here ya go.


http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...it-4-6-gt.html
Wow, that might completely change what my FI plans and time line were.
Old Apr 4, 2011 | 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by stealth_GT
What part of Canada do you live in?? If it gets anything colder then 25 degrees, you may actually want a roots or TVS because you're not gonna want a centri during the winter- look up my thread "Vortech winter woes".

Don't let the whole "high rpm" thing fool you. Thats "peak" whp. You'll still be making alot more hp than a bolt on NA throughout the power band. If you ever driven a high hp turbo car, it's very much the same thing.. but a VERY large turbo lol I kid you not.. it seriously looks like a giant friggin turbo! lulz

It's a great blower, and pretty much as simple as a basic bolt on. You're pretty much just modifying a few hoses and electronic connections, taking out some bolts, in order to bolt on the supercharger mounting plate and the intercooler/piping and you're done.

The High out put kit (either V3 or Paxtons 2200), you can safely make 480whp w/93 octane gas or 450 w/90 octane. It's cool as long as you don't do anything foolish. Err.. if you're a novice, I'd be very careful because it's a lot of power to the wheels. Even at 380whp it felt more like 400-410whp...
Believe it or not, the coldest it got here this year was -34 F, I know its retarded and bone chilling cold. Thanks for breaking down the numbers, its easier to think of things that way. I also heard some people mention that you need engine work should you install a blower, or work done to the bottom of your engine. I didnt know what the hec they were talking about, so i discreetly left the room hehe. Do i need any engine internals worked on should i put a blower like the one mentioned in this blog on ? Sorry for the million and one questions.
Old Apr 4, 2011 | 04:25 AM
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with the blower you linked, you are fairly safe. There are too many variables to say "no you don't need any bottom end work"...but the majority of people are 100% fine no issues.

it's when you start pushing the power levels that things start to go boom. Look at it from this perspective. Roush offered a 3yr/36,000 warranty on their cars running the same exact motor and trans as your current car. Their blowers made 5-6 psi of boost for 445(ish) crank HP. IMO, that shows how you something. If Roush is willing to back thier product like that, it's a pretty safe bet. The centri unit you are interested in makes just a little less HP at the crank. 420 crank HP right?



I won't say your motor will never blow. I will say however that the chances of it are pretty slim. A centri blower is also easier on motors in that they don't "shock" load the motor with boost like a posi blower can.
Old Apr 4, 2011 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JAMAMAN
Believe it or not, the coldest it got here this year was -34 F, I know its retarded and bone chilling cold. Thanks for breaking down the numbers, its easier to think of things that way. I also heard some people mention that you need engine work should you install a blower, or work done to the bottom of your engine. I didnt know what the hec they were talking about, so i discreetly left the room hehe. Do i need any engine internals worked on should i put a blower like the one mentioned in this blog on ? Sorry for the million and one questions.
when it comes to supercharging a stock engine its all about the tune. Get a crappy tune and u will be spending some time and money replacing a block. I would recommend brenspeed for the tune. So say if u wanted 550hp to the wheels then yes you would want a 302 or build the bottom end of your block

I had also thought about this blower before going to saleen bc of price. Chandler said anytime it gets 25 or below u cannot drive car with this blower. The gears that drive the blower are not sitting in oil they have a flipper mechanism that flips the oil onto the gears. Yes very dumb design but that is how they are designed.
Old Apr 4, 2011 | 12:27 PM
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this is the HO kit with the aftercooler. it is a great price. and great supercharger.
Old Apr 4, 2011 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JAMAMAN
Believe it or not, the coldest it got here this year was -34 F, I know its retarded and bone chilling cold. Thanks for breaking down the numbers, its easier to think of things that way. I also heard some people mention that you need engine work should you install a blower, or work done to the bottom of your engine. I didnt know what the hec they were talking about, so i discreetly left the room hehe. Do i need any engine internals worked on should i put a blower like the one mentioned in this blog on ? Sorry for the million and one questions.
wow... if it gets that cold, I'd consider a tvs or ts blower. But then, you'll have to worry about the dangers of driving such a powerful car during the frigid icy winters. Of course, you can always park it over the winter or get the Vortech with the air to air cooler and take it off for the winters.

A bottom end is not needed unless you really want to make some serious numbers of 500whp. Say, 550-650whp region. It's pretty much the rotating assembly of the motor (the guts). Going forged is a great way to ensure that it will not blow up.. though if you have 550-650whp, it's not gonna last forever lulz

If you want a bolt and go car, no problems and keeping it conservative but more kick than NA. I'd say go with a basic roots set up (M90/Magnacharger) or R2300/Saleen and have a little more power than the roots. I may end up going that route and just putting around town during the winter up here.

If you just want a more kick, cams, delete plates, CAI/tune, and a intake manifold is still worth 50-60whp over stock.. of course it's not gonna be 100-150whp like the blower though lol
Old Apr 4, 2011 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by outceltj
I had also thought about this blower before going to saleen bc of price. Chandler said anytime it gets 25 or below u cannot drive car with this blower. The gears that drive the blower are not sitting in oil they have a flipper mechanism that flips the oil onto the gears. Yes very dumb design but that is how they are designed.
it's more due to the internal clearances of the supercharger unit and cold weather.. it's so tight in there that it actually seizes and binds itself to the housing(compressor) when it gets super cold. It'll spin once, unfortunantly that start up is what kills the blower...

it's April and I am still having to wait a few more weeks, possibly even May to put mine back on. It's still cold up here..

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