since the only intakes to come out are ( no tune required intakes) does this mean they are all the same diameter tubing?

 

No, I believe MMR and C&L uses different sizes.

 

I'd be interested in knowing how the JLT compares with the C&L intake.

 

In the discussions about tune+CAI vs. CAI alone, I think something that needs to be said is that the tune will get the most out of the future mods. At some point, the tune with a set of mods will be 20-25 more hp than those mods without. And with the tune, it will be smoother and probably more efficient. With AM Bama Tunes lifetime updates, you're better off starting with the tune as early as fiscally possible. I see the tune as a way of getting the most out of every mod.

 

Hear, hear (what Harebrained said above). The handhelds like SCT SF3 or X3 allow you to do so much more than A/F ratio that you'll feel you've recovered your money's worth after about two uses of the thing. I love my SCT despite its 1990s look with its cheesy display !

There are some screwy things about the new 3.7 cars that make having the tuner more urgent than with my '03 Mach 1. For example, the Mach 1 already had a RPM limiter set above the power peak by the factory....not so here !

 

and add this part too, max her out lol....

http://www.vorteccyclone.com/faq.html

 

The JLT, C&L and Airaid (Bama) intakes for the 2011 V6, so far... ALL have had the same air/fuel ratio before and after the installation. This is great news, for those scared of a tune. For those scared of a tune, the bad news is that you're probably also scared of sunlight and the Easter bunny. I keed, I keed!

There are so many benefits when running a custom tune. The increased throttle response, driveability, horsepower and torque are just the beginning. Gas mileage, future mod support, ability to recalibrate the speedometer, datalog, read & clear DTCs, it's amazing.

So the testing we've done shows that these 3 intakes, when thrown on a stock 11 v6, add between 10-15 RWHP. You add a tune and you get another 8-10RWHP. The combination is worth 18-25 RWHP and the gains for both hp/tq throughout the curve are awesome as well. Now that makes the intake look like the important part of the equation. However, adding just a tune alone adds 15-20 RWHP. That makes the intake look less important. The point is:

An intake alone adds 10-15 HP

A tune alone adds 15-20 HP

Together they add 18-25 HP

I will have a lot more detail on this in the upcoming few days.

 

Good God could it get any less clear. I totally understand what you're saying but there just doesn't seem like a great way to position one or the other when someone already owns one or the other. Just this alone...


An intake alone adds 10-15 HP

A tune alone adds 15-20 HP

Together they add 18-25 HP

For most of the V6 owners that own a tuner today, it seems like you're saying you only pick up 3-5 hp by adding the intake. I know, I get it, you can say but the intake makes 10-15 alone. That can be said of the tuner as well though.

I gotta be honest, if that is the exciting news and what everyone's been hinting at 10+ hp over I'm pretty disappointed. Would anyone reasonably want to pay $100 per HP. That's a long expensive road to a low 12 second car. I gotta find cheaper ways than this to make power.

Don't get me wrong Chris, not slamming you or the Bama tune. I'm totally satisfied with my tuner I picked up from you guys. Maybe I'm jumping the gun on this but I just think it might have been over hyped if this is what the excitement was for. Maybe your dyno charts will tell a different story.

 

I'm not afraid of tunes, as I said before I had a jlt on my '10 gt an going back to stock was no option, so to have a CAI i don't have to tune is my goal here cause if i have totake to dealer no need worry about ecu needs reflashed so they can work on car and so on....if this is true. WRX..
An intake alone adds 10-15 HP
I'll pay 279.00 for 10-15.....educate me little more where you seeing 3 hp more, I see this said before, but AMchris is staing An intake alone adds 10-15 HP

 

Well maybe I'm still looking at it wrong. Today I have the SCT tuner, Bama tuned. Absofreakinlutely love it for the power and the drivability benefits plus everything Chris lists. So looking at his numbers I've already added 15-20 hp with my tuner. If I add an intake I pick up 3-5 hp. Well maybe 10 if the stars align and I'm one of the cars that has only picked up 15 hp with the tune and I jump to the high end with the combo. Fairly large if. So let's split the difference to be fair. Let's say I'm about +17.5 hp with my tune alone and I go to + 22.5 hp with the combo. We're talking 5 hp for $290.00.

I guess I've been wishful thinking I'd be paying $290 to pick up 10-15 hp. That's what everyone's been eluding too. From looking at the threads though they haven't been stretching the truth at all. They are right, intake alone picks up 10-15 hp. Intake added to a tune, not so much.

I just have to get accustomed to the NA world. I'm a FI guy. Adding a Cobb tune and 3" turboback exhaust added insane power to my STI. It wasn't uncommon to see people pick up 35 hp with just a downpipe. And replacing an uppipe from the manifold to the turbo with a catless version was 15 hp for $200.