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Old Dec 26, 2011 | 01:13 AM
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The engine is going to have to take a break for the next month or so that i am building. Im getting a really bad "cobra clunk" and my tires need to be replaced. So it is time to upgrade!!!
I am going to order:
Full Tilt boogie bushing and bumsteer kit
Front bumpsteer Kit
IRS diff brace
CC plates (never got them when i lowered my car)
I already ordered some eibach anti roll bars because I dont feel like dropping the rear end and disassembling it again when the time comes for those.
XXR 521 18x10 and 18x8.5 with some hankook ventus v12 evo. I would get the r-s3's, but I cant afford tires that often since im in college and only working part time.

Let me know what you guys think and any tips on installation.
Old Dec 26, 2011 | 10:53 AM
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Also, anyone with Autox knowledge, (meaning Jazzer) how should i get my suspension setup when I take it to the alignment shop?
Old Dec 26, 2011 | 04:08 PM
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I like your list, but curious as to why sway bars? (particularly a front one!) Do you have under/oversteer issues currently? The Hankooks are probably a step up in grip from your current 555's, but not a whole lot

So are you looking to build this up for AX use or open-track as well?

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Old Dec 26, 2011 | 10:58 PM
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I am getting large amounts of understeer. Thats the reason for wanting swaybars.
I am probably gonna do a bit of autox and open track. Just need to convince my mom that Im not going to kill myself.

What tires would you suggest? I have about $1000 to spend on tires. Rim sizes are 18x 8.5 up front and 18x10 out back.
Old Dec 26, 2011 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bpohlman13
Just need to convince my mom that Im not going to kill myself.
HAHAHAHA that's funny
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 07:29 AM
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If you are getting large amounts of understeer, the last thing you want to install is a heavier front bar

You can install a heavier rear bar and will be helpful, but if you are getting that much, springs are gonna be the direction you should look. Running staggered wheels is also your enemy on the AX course, or just cornering in general. You are only able to run a 255 on an 8.5" wheel, but would not be a good size for AX on your current width. Your orginal post says you already ordered tires, but the above one says you want to order some, but only have $1K to spend, so The Kitty is a bit confused?

My recommendation is you stop............ and do some additional research and consider the ULTIMATE goal for your ride. Not to sound rude, but installing a bunch of parts and new tires, are not the right way to consider improvements in cornering. AX is a blast and can tell your Mom that it is the safest possible way to race your car. I have been doing it for a few years and have never come close to hitting anything or crashing into stuff. It is hard on tires and that is about it, assuming you don't have courses in parking lots with concrete light poles all over the place.

If your ULTIMATE goal is to have a serious corner-carver, I recommend you consider an MM Grip Box. If you cannot afford it all at once, get it a peice at a time until it is built. Depending on the kit one likes, one needs to get several parts at a time and bigger jumps in $$$ are needed.

Is this the direction you are looking to go, forgetting the expense for the moment?

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Old Dec 27, 2011 | 10:37 AM
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Jazzer, I dont think this young man is wanting to be competitive(to a point). I think he is wanting a fun street car setup the way he likes it, but will still work in the purpose that he wants it to. Something that you should add to your list, if you didnt get the stock 03 Cobra dampers with your IRS swap is new dampers. H&R Race springs have a lot of spring rate, and your stock struts and shocks can't handle that unless you have 03 cobra bilsteins. So I'd be factoing that into your suspension build if you can.

As far as tires go, I've read a lot of good reviews on these...

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...%2FPerformance

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...%2FPerformance

Something else you may want to look into, is running stickier tires up front than out back to make up for the difference in width and the fact that your rear end might actually be setup better than your front end. In that case, run the invos out back and NT05's up front or something like that. I got about 12k on my nt05's of daily driving with 4.10's...fun times with that setup! lol

Good mods list though. I cant think of anything that I'd change on there other than adding dampers to the list.
Old Dec 27, 2011 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by teej281
Jazzer, I dont think this young man is wanting to be competitive(to a point). I think he is wanting a fun street car setup the way he likes it, but will still work in the purpose that he wants it to... "
teej, there are also several Grip Boxes in which to choose. Those from just dampers and springs, to the Max Grip Box for mega-serious corner-carvers, but fall short of "Jazzer serious" . He is looking to do AX and open-track and good grip is of huge benefit to both.

I am asking Bpohlman, as I ask everyone that poses a question regarding performance mods and which to buy. To consider the ULTIMATE goal, prior to buying ANY such parts, is the first thing one should do. To not do this, is to very likely end up spending money twice, or live with less of a car one wants to have parked in his/her driveway

When the OP chimes in with the ULTIMATE goal, it will serve those looking to help, to do just that

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Old Dec 28, 2011 | 01:06 AM
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Sorry about not being clear, It was late and I was tired from work when responding to your first post. I meant to say large amounts of bodyroll. I guess Iwas thinking understeer at the time and posted that.

Also, you must have misread my original post, I said I am going to order not that I ordered. As of now, I have ordered everything except rims and tires. That is why I asked what you recommend as far as tires.

The reason that I am not getting a grip box is because I already have some parts that are in it, and I heard that FTBR has better bushings for the rear end rather then MMS. Also, I plan to change the front end to all MMs parts except for the ones I already have or have recently purchased. This is because I plan on doing an engine swap in the next few months, and it will be much easier to install those parts with the engine out of the way.

As far as dampers go, I already have bilstein shocks on all 4 corners. Installed those when I did the IRS swap.

As far as a goal, I would like to take it to the track maybe 2 times a year, and if there are any autoX courses in socal i could find nearby, i would like to go to those aswell. This is also my DD.
Old Dec 28, 2011 | 06:31 AM
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A certain amount of body roll makes your car tolerable to drive on the street. Springs/dampers are the way to address the vast majority of body roll and sway bars are meant to fine tune the rest of the way. You can get a little aggressive with heavier bars, to avoid replacing springs, but if they are much too light, you will bottom out often and is very detrimental to good cornering.

As mentioned in post #3, I don't see the Hankooks as much better than your current 555's If you are looking to get into AX and open-track, and particularly adding more power with a new engine, you should look to a tire better suited for your needs. I have to figure, if you are installing a new motor, your probably not going to bother, unless an addition of 100+ HP is gained...... correct? In such a case, running a 350 HP+ ride on the open-track with less than a VERY GOOD tire, is not going to let you get the most of your new engine, nor brakes

Since tires are the only item in contact with the driving surface, this is where your best dollar should be spent. After all, if the car cannot maintain grip, all the suspension/power/brake in the world, will not serve you.

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