Okay, we have the numbers, like my friends said. It took me nearly 2 hours, 1 just get one of the started bolts loose, i practically rounded the egdes but got it when i was about to give up. D2AE-CA. I found a site, as you know the d2 stands for 72, the A is vehicle, it says it's from a galaxie, and the E means engine, so it's a 1972 351 clevland from a ford glaxie, but those could have cobra jet 351's too right, i still havent found a way to determine that? Help me out?

 

I have next to zero knowledge about cobrajet engines, I'm sure there are plenty here who know tons about them. When you get a chance, do like 69FECoupe says, work your way around a valve cover and count how many bolts hold it on. On the 351W there are 6, I think on the 351 C / M there are 5(?) Never had the privelege of working on a 351 C or 351 M.

Here is another identification tip, taken from Tom Monroe's excellent book, "How to Rebuild Small-Block Ford Engines". I cannot overstate how good this book is, it is a gold mine written by a guy who has been there and done that thousands of times. I recommend you buy a copy. Here is the tip:

"The 351W exhaust manifold surface is close to vertical; the 351C surface is angled 45 degrees so it's generally in line with the side of the cylinder block".

Anyways these are a couple of things you can check quickly. In the shoot-the-breeze department, my car started life as a Grande as well... it was already de-Grandefied when I got it. The vinyl top was gone, as was the original 2-barrel 351C. But at least, since it was a factory 351C, it got the 9 inch rear and that is still there. Nice platform to build on.

 

I mentioned that most full sized Fords and Merc's used the 351m in '72, I should have said 400m. The 351m did not come out until 1975. Sorry for the misinformation. That said, you still need to count the valve cover bolts to see if it's a Windsor or a Cleveland. This should help: http://www.vintage-mustang.com/topic...cleveland.html

 

thanks for all the help with everything, the d2ae-ca makes it a 72 cleveland, so windsor is out, i only wish it was a 71 cleveland, as you may know, compression rates dropped from 71 to 72 from some emission and gas thing in the US. 9.5-11 (i think thats the highest) say in 71, and then average of 8.5 in 72, making probably mine, assuming it's not a CJ of HO, 177 for 351c 2v, add for the 4v, and the intake manifold, and the monster cam, i dunno, hopefully 250hp, maybe more, or maybe it's a CJ or HO, 300? Meh, i'll never know unless i dyno, and my fasha is such a skimp when it comes to that and won;t let me take it to dyno. I'll just drive it fast ha. It goes, and gets up to 110 pretty quick, i have yet to go 120 but i seem to run out of room.

 

Dont worry about the compression drop in 72, a cleveland with the right cam will still haul the mail just fine. The nice part about later heads is not needing race gas to keep it from pinging.

Making 300hp is as easy as falling out of a chair when drunk. If yours has the 2v heads, they will work just fine. They flow better than any Windsor head, well any head that would be run on the street. Also if it has the 2v head, it isnt an HO, CJ or BOSS. The bottom end is all the same except for some had 4 bolt mains. Even the cams were the same between 2v and 4v. I like the Comp cams XE274 in mine, might even put it in the 4V engine goin in my Cougar.

If you over cam it, the converter wont like it, and if its a clutch, you will need deep gears to get it to move down low. What cam you put in depends entirely on how it is driven, what gear you have, stall speed, and vehicle weight. You can either have a lumpy idle pig, or a hard running 351.. the choice is yours.

 

not true, I have seen many a Windsor in the 71-73's....all were 2V engines.

 

Find some original build documentation to show a 351w in the 71-73. Doesn't exist. I have 3 different Mustang fact manuals and all state the same thing...no 351W in 71-73. They're all 351C's. Just because one of these has a 351W between the fenders means it came from the factory that way.

 

I'd still like to hear how many bolts the valve covers have. and I agree, no Windsors in 71-73 Stangs. Big cars are a different story.

 

trust me, I have restored a 1972 MACH with a factory 2V windsor, I have restored a 1970 MACH with a 351W 2V, all of the W's that I have seen were California cars...like the 1968 X Code that those books never mentioned

 

The Haliki family states that the REAL Elenor has a W....