Inline 6 to 302 Conversion
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RE: Inline 6 to 302 Conversion
The C4 will work if you change the bellhousing and converter. Keep in mind that even though it would work with the six cylinder suspension and rear, you really should swap it out for the V8 stuff.
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RE: Inline 6 to 302 Conversion
Try this: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3573/Special.html it hits a lot of the stuff you don't think about...also a page on 67-68 I6 to V8
Changing a ‘65-’66 Mustang from an I6 to a V8
The following is a list of parts required to convert an I6 '65-'66 Mustang to a V8. Unless otherwise noted, the parts listed are for V8 'Stang application. If you decide to cut corners, do not use the small 6 cylinder brakes. The V8 drums were barely adequate and the front discs only delayed the fade problem. Upgrade to the V8 spindles and rear axle assembly as neither 6 cylinder counterparts are going to last long when you get hooked on V8 power.
FRONT SUSPENSION:
1. Drag (center) link. If changing to V8 with p/s from I6 with p/s, the drag link may be the same but I'm not sure. The power ram and pump are the same. For non-p/s, the I6/V8 drag links are different.
2. Inner tie rods (LH and RH are the same for manual steering but LH different for p/s).
3. Tie rod adjusters LH, RH (LH and RH are the same for manual steering but LH different for p/s) Note: For 6 cylinders with p/s, if you plan to retain p/s with your V8, these adjusters are the same, just don't interchange LH with RH.
4. Outer tie rods LH, RH (LH and RH are the same for manual steering but LH different for p/s).
5. Idler arm
6. Pitman Arm - Note: Steering boxes are the same whether I6 or V8 however, p/s equipped cars from the factory had higher ratio (lower numerically) steering boxes. The P/S boxes are typically designated with HCC-AW while manual boxes are HCC-AT. If you have HCC-AX it would be an oddity, since the handling suspension steering box was only available on V8 Mustangs.
7. Spindle LH, RH
8. Two front Hub and brake assemblies including hoses (Stainless Steel Brake Corp offers original Kelsey-Hayes 4-piston front disc brake set up using the same spindles the V8 drum brakes use).
9. Pair of front coil springs
REAR SUSPENSION:
10. Pair of leaf springs.
11. Rear differential assembly ('65-'66 'Stang 8" diff. is only one I know will exactly fit but a '57-'59 9" will fit, '77-'80 Lincoln Versailles/Merc Monarch/Ford Granada (LMF) bolts in but a bit wide axle to axle face).
12. Rear brake lines and hose that are attached to the rear differential assembly.
13. Emergency brake cable. Note '65s and '66s are different. The '66s use a single cable to both rear brakes while the '65s have two separate cables. Choose wisely.
14. Pair of 10"x 1-3/4" (coupe or fastback for sure not sure with Convertibles) rear drum brake assembly (your on your own if you have a 9", LMF have rear disc but parts are obsolete).
DRIVE TRAIN:
15. Engine (duh!) Don’t forget the ground wire that goes from the passenger side cylinder head to the firewall.
16. Radiator. If your V8 has a driver side output water pump you can bolt on a passenger side exit pump (late '65 - '66). Note: '64.5 and early '65s used a slightly different style that won't work on late '65 on up timing covers. Then you will have to hassle with getting all the accessory pulleys to line up. An alternative is get a radiator shop to mod your radiator to accept the driver side outlet water pump. Don't forget, if you have an automatic transmission, make sure the radiator has the ports for the trans fluid lines. I think the '65s trans line thread directly into the radiator cooling tube while the '66s used the rubber hose connection between radiator ports and trans fluid cooling lines.
17. Upper and lower radiator hose.
18. '66 motor mounts LH, RH (if your 'Stang's a '65, use the '66 motor mounts, '65 stuff is harder to get and the motor mounts have an extra bracket which is a bear to find).
19. '66 motor mount to frame bracket LH, RH (these are being reproduced and any friendly neighborhood Mustang parts place will have 'em. National Parts Depot has 'em fer sure).
20. You can reuse the alternator but you will need to get the correct alternator brackets to mount it (depending on other engine accessories). Most folks seem to get the engine fully dressed so already have the alternator, water pump, pulleys, and fan parts. Depending on whether you're installing a/c or p/s you will have to find appropriate pulleys that line up. Note that 289s and 302's made '69 and before had a three bolt crank pulley while 302s after '69 had 4 bolts.
21. '65 or '66 Fan and fan spacer if your engine didn't come with them. Beware, later fans and fan spacers or clutch fans vary in length and diameter.
22. Starter - match to transmission type
23. Exhaust manifolds (or headers), exhaust pipe, muffler(s) and tail pipe(s)+ hangers.
TRANSMISSION
24. If autotrans, you can use the 6 cylinder's C4 (unless your V8 is modified for more power) but you must change the block plate and bell housing for one that will bolt to a V8. Note: Very early '65 260-289s used 5 bolt bell housings and the '65 and later engines were 6 bolt. You will also need the V8 flexplate and torque converter. Warning: After '81 all 302s used 50 oz imbalance on their flexplate/flywheel and the harmonic balancer is different from the pre ’81 harmonic balancer. Also, '70 and later C4s had larger input shafts so match the torque converter to the trans. Don't forget the trans cooling lines, kick down linkage if '65 or kick down cable if '66. One last thing, if you're changing to an C4, make sure it's one from a car that had a floor shift selector and not one on the column. The shift lever on the trans (and I think the internal rod) are different. Don’t forget the Auto trans torque converter access plate.
If manual get a V8 3 speed or better yet a 4 spd toploader. You will need the engine block plate, clutch bell housing, flywheel, clutch disk, pressure plate, throw out bearing, pilot bearing, dust boot, clutch fork to fulcrum retainer, and clutch fork. Mechanical clutch linkage includes clutch pedal to equalizer bar (Z-bar) push rod, Z-bar, clutch pivot - engine side, clutch pivot - frame side, 2 felt washers, two clutch pivot *****, clutch return spring, clutch rod from Z-bar to clutch fork. Or you could chose clutch cable conversion. See Vintage-Mustang.com (www.Vintage-Mustang.com) and search their forum regarding clutch cable conversion. See above auto trans info regarding 5 bolt vs 6 bolt engine blocks and correct flywheel imbalance.
25. Drive Shaft: If your I6 originally had the C4 auto trans Lucky You! You can reuse your existing drive shaft, trans yoke, and U-joints. If you had a three speed or the Dagenjam transmission, bummer. You get to either hunt for a '65/'66 V8 drive shaft or have one made. If you are converting from manual to auto, you can use any auto trans driveshaft. If you had a manual trans, try to get the drive which matches the transmission of your choice. Granted, I managed to use a V8 auto trans driveshaft with a '73 4spd toploader in a previous '65 FB but I'm not sure if the length was exactly right. Be aware that some very early '65 4spd toploaders had 25 spline output shafts so the trans Yoke must match. I suggest locating a drive shaft with the more common 26 spline trans yoke, it would be easier to find a transmission to match. Pay attention to the U-Joint type. If the rear U-joint is an external type, don't try to match a trans yoke to it which uses an internal type U-joint. This is assuming you are using an 8" rear end. If you are swapping in a 9", you're on your own (you'll more than likely have to have one built - good excuse to go aluminum!).
26. Set of tires (if converting a '65) and a set of five lug rims (don't forget the spare - Doh!). Grab 4 extra lug nuts, too.
ANNOYING STUFF:
27. Engine wiring harness. This harness includes the oil and temp sending unit wiring plus the wires that go to the coil.
28. Alternator wiring harness
29. Starter cable from soleno
Changing a ‘65-’66 Mustang from an I6 to a V8
The following is a list of parts required to convert an I6 '65-'66 Mustang to a V8. Unless otherwise noted, the parts listed are for V8 'Stang application. If you decide to cut corners, do not use the small 6 cylinder brakes. The V8 drums were barely adequate and the front discs only delayed the fade problem. Upgrade to the V8 spindles and rear axle assembly as neither 6 cylinder counterparts are going to last long when you get hooked on V8 power.
FRONT SUSPENSION:
1. Drag (center) link. If changing to V8 with p/s from I6 with p/s, the drag link may be the same but I'm not sure. The power ram and pump are the same. For non-p/s, the I6/V8 drag links are different.
2. Inner tie rods (LH and RH are the same for manual steering but LH different for p/s).
3. Tie rod adjusters LH, RH (LH and RH are the same for manual steering but LH different for p/s) Note: For 6 cylinders with p/s, if you plan to retain p/s with your V8, these adjusters are the same, just don't interchange LH with RH.
4. Outer tie rods LH, RH (LH and RH are the same for manual steering but LH different for p/s).
5. Idler arm
6. Pitman Arm - Note: Steering boxes are the same whether I6 or V8 however, p/s equipped cars from the factory had higher ratio (lower numerically) steering boxes. The P/S boxes are typically designated with HCC-AW while manual boxes are HCC-AT. If you have HCC-AX it would be an oddity, since the handling suspension steering box was only available on V8 Mustangs.
7. Spindle LH, RH
8. Two front Hub and brake assemblies including hoses (Stainless Steel Brake Corp offers original Kelsey-Hayes 4-piston front disc brake set up using the same spindles the V8 drum brakes use).
9. Pair of front coil springs
REAR SUSPENSION:
10. Pair of leaf springs.
11. Rear differential assembly ('65-'66 'Stang 8" diff. is only one I know will exactly fit but a '57-'59 9" will fit, '77-'80 Lincoln Versailles/Merc Monarch/Ford Granada (LMF) bolts in but a bit wide axle to axle face).
12. Rear brake lines and hose that are attached to the rear differential assembly.
13. Emergency brake cable. Note '65s and '66s are different. The '66s use a single cable to both rear brakes while the '65s have two separate cables. Choose wisely.
14. Pair of 10"x 1-3/4" (coupe or fastback for sure not sure with Convertibles) rear drum brake assembly (your on your own if you have a 9", LMF have rear disc but parts are obsolete).
DRIVE TRAIN:
15. Engine (duh!) Don’t forget the ground wire that goes from the passenger side cylinder head to the firewall.
16. Radiator. If your V8 has a driver side output water pump you can bolt on a passenger side exit pump (late '65 - '66). Note: '64.5 and early '65s used a slightly different style that won't work on late '65 on up timing covers. Then you will have to hassle with getting all the accessory pulleys to line up. An alternative is get a radiator shop to mod your radiator to accept the driver side outlet water pump. Don't forget, if you have an automatic transmission, make sure the radiator has the ports for the trans fluid lines. I think the '65s trans line thread directly into the radiator cooling tube while the '66s used the rubber hose connection between radiator ports and trans fluid cooling lines.
17. Upper and lower radiator hose.
18. '66 motor mounts LH, RH (if your 'Stang's a '65, use the '66 motor mounts, '65 stuff is harder to get and the motor mounts have an extra bracket which is a bear to find).
19. '66 motor mount to frame bracket LH, RH (these are being reproduced and any friendly neighborhood Mustang parts place will have 'em. National Parts Depot has 'em fer sure).
20. You can reuse the alternator but you will need to get the correct alternator brackets to mount it (depending on other engine accessories). Most folks seem to get the engine fully dressed so already have the alternator, water pump, pulleys, and fan parts. Depending on whether you're installing a/c or p/s you will have to find appropriate pulleys that line up. Note that 289s and 302's made '69 and before had a three bolt crank pulley while 302s after '69 had 4 bolts.
21. '65 or '66 Fan and fan spacer if your engine didn't come with them. Beware, later fans and fan spacers or clutch fans vary in length and diameter.
22. Starter - match to transmission type
23. Exhaust manifolds (or headers), exhaust pipe, muffler(s) and tail pipe(s)+ hangers.
TRANSMISSION
24. If autotrans, you can use the 6 cylinder's C4 (unless your V8 is modified for more power) but you must change the block plate and bell housing for one that will bolt to a V8. Note: Very early '65 260-289s used 5 bolt bell housings and the '65 and later engines were 6 bolt. You will also need the V8 flexplate and torque converter. Warning: After '81 all 302s used 50 oz imbalance on their flexplate/flywheel and the harmonic balancer is different from the pre ’81 harmonic balancer. Also, '70 and later C4s had larger input shafts so match the torque converter to the trans. Don't forget the trans cooling lines, kick down linkage if '65 or kick down cable if '66. One last thing, if you're changing to an C4, make sure it's one from a car that had a floor shift selector and not one on the column. The shift lever on the trans (and I think the internal rod) are different. Don’t forget the Auto trans torque converter access plate.
If manual get a V8 3 speed or better yet a 4 spd toploader. You will need the engine block plate, clutch bell housing, flywheel, clutch disk, pressure plate, throw out bearing, pilot bearing, dust boot, clutch fork to fulcrum retainer, and clutch fork. Mechanical clutch linkage includes clutch pedal to equalizer bar (Z-bar) push rod, Z-bar, clutch pivot - engine side, clutch pivot - frame side, 2 felt washers, two clutch pivot *****, clutch return spring, clutch rod from Z-bar to clutch fork. Or you could chose clutch cable conversion. See Vintage-Mustang.com (www.Vintage-Mustang.com) and search their forum regarding clutch cable conversion. See above auto trans info regarding 5 bolt vs 6 bolt engine blocks and correct flywheel imbalance.
25. Drive Shaft: If your I6 originally had the C4 auto trans Lucky You! You can reuse your existing drive shaft, trans yoke, and U-joints. If you had a three speed or the Dagenjam transmission, bummer. You get to either hunt for a '65/'66 V8 drive shaft or have one made. If you are converting from manual to auto, you can use any auto trans driveshaft. If you had a manual trans, try to get the drive which matches the transmission of your choice. Granted, I managed to use a V8 auto trans driveshaft with a '73 4spd toploader in a previous '65 FB but I'm not sure if the length was exactly right. Be aware that some very early '65 4spd toploaders had 25 spline output shafts so the trans Yoke must match. I suggest locating a drive shaft with the more common 26 spline trans yoke, it would be easier to find a transmission to match. Pay attention to the U-Joint type. If the rear U-joint is an external type, don't try to match a trans yoke to it which uses an internal type U-joint. This is assuming you are using an 8" rear end. If you are swapping in a 9", you're on your own (you'll more than likely have to have one built - good excuse to go aluminum!).
26. Set of tires (if converting a '65) and a set of five lug rims (don't forget the spare - Doh!). Grab 4 extra lug nuts, too.
ANNOYING STUFF:
27. Engine wiring harness. This harness includes the oil and temp sending unit wiring plus the wires that go to the coil.
28. Alternator wiring harness
29. Starter cable from soleno
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