the boss
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From: west chester
the boss
what do u guys think of htis motor, i heard that its real good and i was wondering if anyone else has heard bad things?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/400-h...QQcmdZViewItem
also the pistons are keith black and the cam is a 274/542 cam
what do u think
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/400-h...QQcmdZViewItem
also the pistons are keith black and the cam is a 274/542 cam
what do u think
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RE: the boss
Who is Patterson Engines? Do you know anything about this guy? Do you know anyone who has bought from him?His feedback is 100% but it looks like it's based on only 11 transactions. The guy may build great engines but I'm the kind ofperson who needs to deal with a local builder that I can get a hold of if I have problems. Don't forget you'll need a conversion intake manifold, the pan in the picture is a double sump and you'll need a timing cover.
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RE: the boss
ORIGINAL: 69FECoupe
Who is Patterson Engines? Do you know anything about this guy? Do you know anyone who has bought from him?His feedback is 100% but it looks like it's based on only 11 transactions. The guy may build great engines but I'm the kind ofperson who needs to deal with a local builder that I can get a hold of if I have problems. Don't forget you'll need a conversion intake manifold, the pan in the picture is a double sump and you'll need a timing cover.
Who is Patterson Engines? Do you know anything about this guy? Do you know anyone who has bought from him?His feedback is 100% but it looks like it's based on only 11 transactions. The guy may build great engines but I'm the kind ofperson who needs to deal with a local builder that I can get a hold of if I have problems. Don't forget you'll need a conversion intake manifold, the pan in the picture is a double sump and you'll need a timing cover.
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From: North Fulton, GA
RE: the boss
There is one plus to purchasing across state lines ... no sales tax! I got my engine off of Ebay with free shipping and saved about $280 in sales taxes. Granted, I bought from a shop that has a real non-Ebay website and has a lot of positive feedback from buyers. The above link only has 11 positive feedbacks, all from sellers. It could turn out to be a really good engine, but I'd do all your homework first. Personally,if you're looking to make in the high 300/low 400hp rangeI'd stick to something with more conventional heads (i.e. aftermarket aluminum 302/351W). Also, I'm wondering why there isn't a more complete parts list in the listing like most other builders seem to do. Also, did I miss the part about a warranty? Mine came with 12/12,000.
Good luck!
[edit] It could be that he doesn't have a lot of feedback because he stops the auctions short and completes the transaction offline to avoid the steep Ebay fees. Even though I found mine on Ebay and researched it on the net, I ordered direct after speaking with the builder several times.
Good luck!
[edit] It could be that he doesn't have a lot of feedback because he stops the auctions short and completes the transaction offline to avoid the steep Ebay fees. Even though I found mine on Ebay and researched it on the net, I ordered direct after speaking with the builder several times.
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RE: the boss
Copying a boss is not as simple as dumping Clevo heads on a 302 Windsor block.the bosshad 4 bolt mains, thicker cylinder walls, steel screw-in freeze plugs,different crank,heavier con rods anddifferent pistonsand you have modify one or more of the coolant passages on the heads andthis means a special intake manifold too.
of course it can all be done, but i'd be doing a lot more homework before i bought one like that off ebay. a genuine boss 302 engine is worth more than most of our cars!!!
+1 see the local builder
+1 Gothand - use the lighter, aftermarket alum heads.
good luck
of course it can all be done, but i'd be doing a lot more homework before i bought one like that off ebay. a genuine boss 302 engine is worth more than most of our cars!!!
+1 see the local builder
+1 Gothand - use the lighter, aftermarket alum heads.
good luck
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From: west chester
RE: the boss
yes acutally i have met the guy and he brought a motor just like this to carlisle pa and they are respected, the motor comes with a 1 year warranty adn the with the double sump would that mean i would have to worry about it with the fox its goin in. and the intake would just be a 650 carb i already have. i figure the timing cover i could take right off my motor, its the same block so.
ORIGINAL: 69FECoupe
Who is Patterson Engines? Do you know anything about this guy? Do you know anyone who has bought from him?His feedback is 100% but it looks like it's based on only 11 transactions. The guy may build great engines but I'm the kind ofperson who needs to deal with a local builder that I can get a hold of if I have problems. Don't forget you'll need a conversion intake manifold, the pan in the picture is a double sump and you'll need a timing cover.
Who is Patterson Engines? Do you know anything about this guy? Do you know anyone who has bought from him?His feedback is 100% but it looks like it's based on only 11 transactions. The guy may build great engines but I'm the kind ofperson who needs to deal with a local builder that I can get a hold of if I have problems. Don't forget you'll need a conversion intake manifold, the pan in the picture is a double sump and you'll need a timing cover.
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From: west chester
RE: the boss
i also knew this b/c i went lookin for boss heads when i first got my stang and found out they were cleve heads. and that is why i think that it might be worth it, b/c the machine work alone to make the cleve heads fit to the 302w is over 2000, and yea i have seen this motor in person at carlisle car show. so i kno that its no joke. just think its a little expensive.
ORIGINAL: Aussie66Fastback
Copying a boss is not as simple as dumping Clevo heads on a 302 Windsor block.the bosshad 4 bolt mains, thicker cylinder walls, steel screw-in freeze plugs,different crank,heavier con rods anddifferent pistonsand you have modify one or more of the coolant passages on the heads andthis means a special intake manifold too.
of course it can all be done, but i'd be doing a lot more homework before i bought one like that off ebay. a genuine boss 302 engine is worth more than most of our cars!!!
+1 see the local builder
+1 Gothand - use the lighter, aftermarket alum heads.
good luck
Copying a boss is not as simple as dumping Clevo heads on a 302 Windsor block.the bosshad 4 bolt mains, thicker cylinder walls, steel screw-in freeze plugs,different crank,heavier con rods anddifferent pistonsand you have modify one or more of the coolant passages on the heads andthis means a special intake manifold too.
of course it can all be done, but i'd be doing a lot more homework before i bought one like that off ebay. a genuine boss 302 engine is worth more than most of our cars!!!
+1 see the local builder
+1 Gothand - use the lighter, aftermarket alum heads.
good luck
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From: west chester
RE: the boss
heres a list of the rest of the parts
302 "boss" engine - high performance 400 hp
block
late or early bored .030 or .040
crank
3.00 ford
rods
ford forged I beam
pistons
KB racing .030/.040
rings
hastings cast .030/.040
bearings
clevite 77 std
gaskets
fel- pro
bolts
arp fasteners
camshaft
PBM 292/.542 flat tappet
lifters
hydraulic
timing chain
cloyes double roller
pushrods
hardened
rockers
stock ford
oil pump
melling M-68
heads
ported C/M 2 bbl '70 (D0-5AE) machined to match W
valves
manley stainless 2.05/1.65
this engine complete ready to install $2500 + options + shipping
302 "boss" engine - high performance 400 hp
block
late or early bored .030 or .040
crank
3.00 ford
rods
ford forged I beam
pistons
KB racing .030/.040
rings
hastings cast .030/.040
bearings
clevite 77 std
gaskets
fel- pro
bolts
arp fasteners
camshaft
PBM 292/.542 flat tappet
lifters
hydraulic
timing chain
cloyes double roller
pushrods
hardened
rockers
stock ford
oil pump
melling M-68
heads
ported C/M 2 bbl '70 (D0-5AE) machined to match W
valves
manley stainless 2.05/1.65
this engine complete ready to install $2500 + options + shipping