Soaring and others
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RE: Soaring and others
NorCalTroy,
Great reply. I have been a member here for well over a year and a Ford and Mustang guy for over 25 years. I missed the aforementioned bash fest (glad I did, btw) and I wouldn't have known that discussing modern technology for vintage Mustangs causes such a poop-storm in this day and age.
This debate was heated to white-hot temperatures back in the 80s when the purists balked at every minor variance from bone-stock. I was under the impression that those debates had died especially since the MCA now accommodates these modified (restomod) cars.
Why should new site-users/new Mustang owners be forced to assume all previous debates and differences? Why is it their responsibility to learn all of the habits (good/bad) of the old guard? Why can’t people just show up to the site with fresh ideas (fresh to them) or a fresh mind-set (even if you are already tired of the debate) without all the name-calling or assumptions.
As a former site-mod myself, I do understand the need to reign-in loose cannons or fire starters, but DJ was hardly taking shots or trolling. His perspectives were very detailed and he supported them with details. In my opinion, some of the responses were more in-line were dredging up the bad feelings and the animosity…not the initial post.
These cars are fun. Making them our own is fun. Talking about them should also be fun.
Great reply. I have been a member here for well over a year and a Ford and Mustang guy for over 25 years. I missed the aforementioned bash fest (glad I did, btw) and I wouldn't have known that discussing modern technology for vintage Mustangs causes such a poop-storm in this day and age.
This debate was heated to white-hot temperatures back in the 80s when the purists balked at every minor variance from bone-stock. I was under the impression that those debates had died especially since the MCA now accommodates these modified (restomod) cars.
Why should new site-users/new Mustang owners be forced to assume all previous debates and differences? Why is it their responsibility to learn all of the habits (good/bad) of the old guard? Why can’t people just show up to the site with fresh ideas (fresh to them) or a fresh mind-set (even if you are already tired of the debate) without all the name-calling or assumptions.
As a former site-mod myself, I do understand the need to reign-in loose cannons or fire starters, but DJ was hardly taking shots or trolling. His perspectives were very detailed and he supported them with details. In my opinion, some of the responses were more in-line were dredging up the bad feelings and the animosity…not the initial post.
These cars are fun. Making them our own is fun. Talking about them should also be fun.
4th Gear Member
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,407
From: New Mexico
RE: Soaring and others
Whether you agree or disagree it does not matter, it was done and anyone that is not a moderator has no reason to question what was done except the person that started the thread and the moderator, and it should be done in private not on an open forum. If someone can make sense to why their thread should not have been closed then they don't need everyone else backing them up and saying they disagree with actions taken. people are moderators for a reason- Since i have been on the forum I have noticed that threads like this only cause problems.
I understand what you were doing by starting the original thread now that people know why you did not respond but it did seem trollish at the time. So take that into consideration before you start bashing people.
On a lighter note your car is very nice and you should stick around it looks like you have something to offer the site.
I understand what you were doing by starting the original thread now that people know why you did not respond but it did seem trollish at the time. So take that into consideration before you start bashing people.
On a lighter note your car is very nice and you should stick around it looks like you have something to offer the site.
3rd Gear Member
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 542
From: Sacramento, CA
RE: Soaring and others
Colt-
I do not have any "dislike for Soaring". What I don't like is people abusing the power that they are given. I agree with you in that Glen is very knowledgeable. I have stated this several times before. I even went as far as saying this forum wouldn't be the same without him, and I still feel that way. Usually his advice is spot-on, especially when he is discussing stock items. I also agree that, as moderator, it is his job to keep "members here from cutting each other's throat", however, it is NOT his job to wield the same knife himself. That happens way too often.
There is no excuse for public belittling, equipment bashing or locking, moving or deleting threads that are on-topic and that don't break any forum rules. Just because a post doesn't comply to his "opinions" doesn't justify any of those actions.
You are not privy to other conversations that Glen and I have had and therefore do not know our history, it would probably be wise if you didn't insert your opinion in matters that you don't fully understand.
I stand by my opinion that this section of the forum should be open to all posts that follow the posted rules, without censorship by the moderator.
I do not have any "dislike for Soaring". What I don't like is people abusing the power that they are given. I agree with you in that Glen is very knowledgeable. I have stated this several times before. I even went as far as saying this forum wouldn't be the same without him, and I still feel that way. Usually his advice is spot-on, especially when he is discussing stock items. I also agree that, as moderator, it is his job to keep "members here from cutting each other's throat", however, it is NOT his job to wield the same knife himself. That happens way too often.
There is no excuse for public belittling, equipment bashing or locking, moving or deleting threads that are on-topic and that don't break any forum rules. Just because a post doesn't comply to his "opinions" doesn't justify any of those actions.
You are not privy to other conversations that Glen and I have had and therefore do not know our history, it would probably be wise if you didn't insert your opinion in matters that you don't fully understand.
I stand by my opinion that this section of the forum should be open to all posts that follow the posted rules, without censorship by the moderator.
2nd Gear Member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 489
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RE: Soaring and others
I can see where this is going.... I have only been here for a short time, but have loved all the info and help i have recieved. Just my 2 cents, opinions are like @ssholes, everyones got one. Its a freaking Mustang forum, dosn't matter ifits modded or original, its a freakin mustang, we are here to share ideas and opinions---relaxs
I ♥ Acer
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 148
From: USA
RE: Soaring and others
Troy,
Why do you think a moderator is necessary? To censor posts of course. You sound as if you know what Soaring's job is. Well, you don't, and I for one am getting tired of your constant snipping at him every time you get a chance. I don't even know Soaring, but I do know that you are just causing trouble when you take pot shots at him that he doesn't deserve.
Why do you think a moderator is necessary? To censor posts of course. You sound as if you know what Soaring's job is. Well, you don't, and I for one am getting tired of your constant snipping at him every time you get a chance. I don't even know Soaring, but I do know that you are just causing trouble when you take pot shots at him that he doesn't deserve.
2nd Gear Member
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 460
RE: Soaring and others
Can't we ALL just get along? I would like everyone to take a deep breath, now again.... OK enough of that. Let's take a minute to review what a not-so-wise person has asked before... https://mustangforums.com/m_3273256/tm.htm Let's come together to get a feeling of accomplishment. I know I'd sure the hell appreciate it. 
I ♥ Acer
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Troy and Colt...you two guys need to take it to a PM or I will be forced to lock this one as well. And Troy, you can bitch all you want to, but I will do my job as I see fit without any interference from you.
Thread Starter
Joined: Nov 2006
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Thanks for the support guys, well some of you anyway.I wasn't trying to start up trouble, well at least not the other thread. The other thread my have been discussed before and I didn't see it. If it was, it was before this weekends show that I went to where we had 7000 cars and with only 1 being a nice modified. That was the basis of my post.Thanks agian for the complimants on my car.
I wasn't trying to start up trouble, well at least not the other thread. The other thread my have been discussed before and I didn't see it. If it was, it was before this weekends show that I went to where we had 7000 cars and with only 1 being a nice modified. That was the basis of my post.Thanks agian for the complimants on my car.
4th Gear Member
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,407
From: New Mexico
RE: Soaring and others
ORIGINAL: Hornblower
Troy- I have noticed your dislike for Soaring almost from the time you became a member of this forum. From what I have read and observed, Soaring is one of the most knowledgable classic Mustang owners on here, and does a good job of keeping the members here from cutting each other's throat. It is obvious you don't know what his job is as the moderator, and you certainly can't know what his powers are as the moderator. My suggestion is that you back off and let the man do his job and quit complaining every time you don't get your way.
ORIGINAL: NorCalTroy
Derrick-
I'm behind you 100% on this. I'm of the opinion that this section of the forum is for anything to do with classic mustangs, whether it be regarding a concourse correct piece, or how to install an electronic fuel injection. As long as it pertains to classic Mustangs, it should be allowed. Unfortunatly, the moderator of this section does not see it that way, and as I have so politely been told, "this is not a democracy". Usually any thread regarding a classic Mustang modification that the moderator does not approve of gets capped with him doing some name calling and equipment bashing then the thread gets locked, moved, or even deleteted all together.
In your original thread ( https://mustangforums.com/m_3265813/tm.htm ) it was mentioned that this topic has been previsously discussed. Since you are new, it's pretty obvious that you weren't aware of that problem and shouldn't be faulted for bringing it up. Urban dictionary defines a forum troll as "Someone who gets pleasure by typing annoying/controversial/offensive words at strangers on Internet forums, for them to read" ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...rm=forum+troll ). Again, you are new around here and didn't know you were bringing up a controversial topic so I don't think you fit that description.
I was part of the original discussion that was referenced and it included name calling, equipment bashing, pouting, etc. by other people who should have know better. The discussion went downhill fast last time, but my feelings (and probably others that share my opinion) have not changed; as long as the discussion is actually regarding classic Mustangs, it is unacceptable for the thread to be locked, moved or deleted. As adults we should be able to discuss this topic again without it turning ugly.
Pitch in your two cents and reply politely when asked questions. I understand if you don't reply as quickly as other people, because some of us have still have jobs and can't monitor all conversations at all times during the day. Maybe other people should learn patience instead of name calling. As far as your fear of being banned... keep your posts professional and on topic and that shouldn't happen. There are only a few people around here that have the power to out-right ban people and the moderator of this section is not one of them.
Derrick-
I'm behind you 100% on this. I'm of the opinion that this section of the forum is for anything to do with classic mustangs, whether it be regarding a concourse correct piece, or how to install an electronic fuel injection. As long as it pertains to classic Mustangs, it should be allowed. Unfortunatly, the moderator of this section does not see it that way, and as I have so politely been told, "this is not a democracy". Usually any thread regarding a classic Mustang modification that the moderator does not approve of gets capped with him doing some name calling and equipment bashing then the thread gets locked, moved, or even deleteted all together.
In your original thread ( https://mustangforums.com/m_3265813/tm.htm ) it was mentioned that this topic has been previsously discussed. Since you are new, it's pretty obvious that you weren't aware of that problem and shouldn't be faulted for bringing it up. Urban dictionary defines a forum troll as "Someone who gets pleasure by typing annoying/controversial/offensive words at strangers on Internet forums, for them to read" ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...rm=forum+troll ). Again, you are new around here and didn't know you were bringing up a controversial topic so I don't think you fit that description.
I was part of the original discussion that was referenced and it included name calling, equipment bashing, pouting, etc. by other people who should have know better. The discussion went downhill fast last time, but my feelings (and probably others that share my opinion) have not changed; as long as the discussion is actually regarding classic Mustangs, it is unacceptable for the thread to be locked, moved or deleted. As adults we should be able to discuss this topic again without it turning ugly.
Pitch in your two cents and reply politely when asked questions. I understand if you don't reply as quickly as other people, because some of us have still have jobs and can't monitor all conversations at all times during the day. Maybe other people should learn patience instead of name calling. As far as your fear of being banned... keep your posts professional and on topic and that shouldn't happen. There are only a few people around here that have the power to out-right ban people and the moderator of this section is not one of them.
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Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,806
From: DFW
RE: Soaring and others
Most of us on here are restomods, but we stil keep the classic look
the only reaso my letters are white on ym tire is cause i got these rims and tires for free!
and they are BF Goodrich
the only reaso my letters are white on ym tire is cause i got these rims and tires for free!
and they are BF Goodrich