Looking for a 64 1/2 Mustang K Code Engine
The odds of finding a 64 Hi-Po block are not good. A rough estimate is that there were less than 1500 made. The best that you can do is to find a block with a casting part number of C4OE-6015-B and work from there. It was a common block used in 1964 with as many as 42,000 used. It's a 5 bolt pattern to mate with the same 5 bolt configuration as the bell housing which brings us to the second part of your quest, a Borg-Warner T-10 transmission with a 5 bolt bell housing. Your 302 is a 6 bolt pattern. Now that all that is spelled out, is the 5th character of your VIN number a 'K'?
Jim
Jim
The first question is WHY? If what you want is the power, that is readily available in a 302 with modern components. IMHO the only reason to look for a correct block is if you're doing a concourse correct restoration and if so get ready to open up the pocket book!!!!
There was NO special block for the hipo, it was just a 289 with performance goodies. To get a correct block you would want one with a date code (just above the starter motor) that is about 2-4 weeks earlier than the production date for your car. You would need to contact engine rebuilders who would take the time to check the date codes of their inventory (good luck with that). Once you bought the block you would have to find all the K code goodies and make sure they have the proper date matching, again good luck. For some informatin about what makes a hipo check out
http://www.midcomustang.com/mustanghipo.shtml
http://www.hipomustang.com/default2.asp?page=6
HTH
There was NO special block for the hipo, it was just a 289 with performance goodies. To get a correct block you would want one with a date code (just above the starter motor) that is about 2-4 weeks earlier than the production date for your car. You would need to contact engine rebuilders who would take the time to check the date codes of their inventory (good luck with that). Once you bought the block you would have to find all the K code goodies and make sure they have the proper date matching, again good luck. For some informatin about what makes a hipo check out
http://www.midcomustang.com/mustanghipo.shtml
http://www.hipomustang.com/default2.asp?page=6
HTH
ORIGINAL: highhilleer
The first question is WHY? If what you want is the power, that is readily available in a 302 with modern components. IMHO the only reason to look for a correct block is if you're doing a concourse correct restoration and if so get ready to open up the pocket book!!!! <snip>
The first question is WHY? If what you want is the power, that is readily available in a 302 with modern components. IMHO the only reason to look for a correct block is if you're doing a concourse correct restoration and if so get ready to open up the pocket book!!!! <snip>
I guess this may be typical of a post that Jim was referring to in the other thread about wanting to restore vs. modify.
Touche`
Hello.
Once you get your mind around how expensive that is going to be the rest isn't that difficult.
You would want to check at www.hipomustang.com and possibly check ebay occassionally. Most likely what you will find first will be a K code motor out of a 63/64 fairlane, not a mustang. The difference will be that the hipo fairlane blocks have either a three or four digit sequential number stamped on a pad on the block, as in the 349th hipo fairlane built that year, and yes, you can see it from when your looking under the hood, like a judge would be doing.
A 5-bolt hipo motor that still has the hipo generator pulley, balancer, fan, main caps, date-coded hipo heads,rods, etc... is reeeeal expensive. A real raggedy C4OF-AL carb that is one peg up from a core will run you better than a grand.Well, maybe not for some folks, but for me, 9 or 10 grand is reeeeeal expensive. You and your pocket will probably be a lot happier if you just start piecing things together for that special day in the future when you can assemble all of that stuff and drop it in the car. What's the scheduled production date of the car? I might know somebody that has some stuff you need.
Once you get your mind around how expensive that is going to be the rest isn't that difficult.
You would want to check at www.hipomustang.com and possibly check ebay occassionally. Most likely what you will find first will be a K code motor out of a 63/64 fairlane, not a mustang. The difference will be that the hipo fairlane blocks have either a three or four digit sequential number stamped on a pad on the block, as in the 349th hipo fairlane built that year, and yes, you can see it from when your looking under the hood, like a judge would be doing.
A 5-bolt hipo motor that still has the hipo generator pulley, balancer, fan, main caps, date-coded hipo heads,rods, etc... is reeeeal expensive. A real raggedy C4OF-AL carb that is one peg up from a core will run you better than a grand.Well, maybe not for some folks, but for me, 9 or 10 grand is reeeeeal expensive. You and your pocket will probably be a lot happier if you just start piecing things together for that special day in the future when you can assemble all of that stuff and drop it in the car. What's the scheduled production date of the car? I might know somebody that has some stuff you need.
Correct my casting number to be C4OE-6015-C. There were also 289 blocks with the casting number of C4OE-6015-F but I do not know if it was used in HP applications. In 1963, the casting number was C3AE-6015-N, a block borrowed from the full size Ford line.
Jim
Jim
Hi again.
You are too kind.
Actually, I've got an early july K code motor that has everything but the carb, intake and dual point distributor up in the attic somewhere that ran great when I stuck it up there, but it wouldn't do him any good because it's a 6-bolt.I've been sort of hanging on to it as a spare in case I blow up mine. They aren't that easy to blow up. but it is doable.
You are too kind.
Actually, I've got an early july K code motor that has everything but the carb, intake and dual point distributor up in the attic somewhere that ran great when I stuck it up there, but it wouldn't do him any good because it's a 6-bolt.I've been sort of hanging on to it as a spare in case I blow up mine. They aren't that easy to blow up. but it is doable.
Wow people thanks so much for the information. You all are so knowledgeable. The 302 currently in the car does have a HiPo Cam... plenty of power... but I was thinking of putting it back like it should be...ie restoring it back to the original K Code car it once was. I figured since it's a 64 1/2 not many exist and would be worth more. I'm not interested in selling this car.. just want to make it cooler.


