351 cleveland rebuild??
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From: DFW
RE: 351 cleveland rebuild??
ORIGINAL: IM RICKY BOBBY
define streetable.. based on rpm range??? or mpg?? or???
stay with the 2, they are more streetable
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RE: 351 cleveland rebuild??
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My ***. All the BS about Clevelands has returned. it is NOT more difficult to make power with a Cleveland. They are not big blocks.They dont need aftermarket heads whereas a Windsor does. 2V and 4V will make good power and the years doesnt matter unless you want to run pump gas. The 72-74 4V heads are low compression but that is okay, because you cant run 11:1 with 91-93 octane and iron heads.
If you have a Cleveland you are way ahead of someone with a Windsor. They arent that expensive to build because even 2V heads outflow nearly every head for the Windsor that isnt canted valve. 350-400hp is relatively easy with a STOCK head.
If you dont own a Cleveland and have never built one, DONT GIVE ADVICE ON THEM! If you have never built an engine DONT give advice on what to build. If you think a Cleveland is still a big block, then lie down before you hurt yourself or someone near you.
Why is it people seem to think that they are experts and knowledgeable about engines they have never run, and may have only seen in a magazine? I got my first one in March of 1986, built the latest one a few months back. Its a 2V with a decent cam, intake, and headers, its fully rebuilt, balanced, forged pistons, completely new valvetrain and I have less than $2000 in it.
The 4V that used to be in my 72 Mustang slaughtered every Windosr it came across, and all it had was a 270H from Comp Cams and a set of headers, it was even running the stock carb and intake.
So before you spout off about something you know nothing about, you might want to think about how stupid you would look if someone decided to take issue with your incorrect information. It gets very tiring trying to correct poor and incorrect information with someone who will argue about it when they have no basis behind the argument they present. In other words, if you dont know what the hell you are talking about by expereince rather than what you may have read somewhere, then shut the hell up.
My ***. All the BS about Clevelands has returned. it is NOT more difficult to make power with a Cleveland. They are not big blocks.They dont need aftermarket heads whereas a Windsor does. 2V and 4V will make good power and the years doesnt matter unless you want to run pump gas. The 72-74 4V heads are low compression but that is okay, because you cant run 11:1 with 91-93 octane and iron heads.
If you have a Cleveland you are way ahead of someone with a Windsor. They arent that expensive to build because even 2V heads outflow nearly every head for the Windsor that isnt canted valve. 350-400hp is relatively easy with a STOCK head.
If you dont own a Cleveland and have never built one, DONT GIVE ADVICE ON THEM! If you have never built an engine DONT give advice on what to build. If you think a Cleveland is still a big block, then lie down before you hurt yourself or someone near you.
Why is it people seem to think that they are experts and knowledgeable about engines they have never run, and may have only seen in a magazine? I got my first one in March of 1986, built the latest one a few months back. Its a 2V with a decent cam, intake, and headers, its fully rebuilt, balanced, forged pistons, completely new valvetrain and I have less than $2000 in it.
The 4V that used to be in my 72 Mustang slaughtered every Windosr it came across, and all it had was a 270H from Comp Cams and a set of headers, it was even running the stock carb and intake.
So before you spout off about something you know nothing about, you might want to think about how stupid you would look if someone decided to take issue with your incorrect information. It gets very tiring trying to correct poor and incorrect information with someone who will argue about it when they have no basis behind the argument they present. In other words, if you dont know what the hell you are talking about by expereince rather than what you may have read somewhere, then shut the hell up.
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RE: 351 cleveland rebuild??
honestly guys i really appreciate all the advise and everything but i really didnt want to start any kind of wars or arguments.... IMO everyone is entitled to their own opinion, right or worng , credible or not.. thats what makes this forum so awesome.. 3 or 4 of you guys say dont waist your time on this and then 3 to 4 ppl say dude it would be awesome... diversity.... its great... and that diversity has helped me out in so many ways ........... ( NOW EVERYONE JOIN IN FOR A GROUP HUGE) hahaha...ha
on the other hand what thumpin said is true.. you should have some general knowledge about what your giving advise on. cuz that would be pritty fu**** up to give someone the wrong advise and have them ruin their engine or die cuz they got into a car reck cuz someone gave them wrong info on there brake system and it failed on them... true that would be extream case.... either way i like the different opinions im getting its really opening my eyes to the posibilities... and i thank you guys for that..
on the other hand what thumpin said is true.. you should have some general knowledge about what your giving advise on. cuz that would be pritty fu**** up to give someone the wrong advise and have them ruin their engine or die cuz they got into a car reck cuz someone gave them wrong info on there brake system and it failed on them... true that would be extream case.... either way i like the different opinions im getting its really opening my eyes to the posibilities... and i thank you guys for that..
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From: DFW
RE: 351 cleveland rebuild??
the cleveland vs windsor battle will never be settled, its just like the original vs restomod battle
it all comes down to what YOU want to do. i say do it, these clevelands are one of a kind motors
it all comes down to what YOU want to do. i say do it, these clevelands are one of a kind motors
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RE: 351 cleveland rebuild??
Clevelands have a definate uniqueness factor, but ultimately with any engine whether it comes to a Windsor a Cleveland or a 1.8L Honda for that matter, it's all in the build, that's what can make the power/get the drivability etc. It just depends on how much power you want and how much $$$ you wanna spend. If you build a Cleve and want performance, my advice is honestly put some CHI heads on it. It'll drive better, get better mileage and make so much power thatnot many carson the street will be able to touch you
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RE: 351 cleveland rebuild??
i kinda wish i had a 2v heads instead of 4, but hey, what can i do, right?
I build engines at work, for race cars. And we have yet to see ANYONE with a Cleve running stock headsthat can match performance with a comparably built Windsor.
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RE: 351 cleveland rebuild??
Well, maybe you guys built a faster Cleve(even though it didn't stay together), but at least around here it hasn't been done, especially with the drag cars. And if you start modifying a Cleve head for differnt sized valves, port work etc it's no longer stock, is it? Having cutom valves and seats made so you can get the head to work is hardly what one can call stock. Also if you're in class restricted racing where you have to run a stock head castingthen a Cleve is a good choice, as bad as it's characteristics are in some areas, it's still the best flowing stock head Ford produced for small blocks, but it's a far cry from a good aftermarket head(which wouldn't be allowed in stock classes obviously).You'll note I said that we haven't seen anyone running STOCK Cleve heads that can compete. I also stated earlier, that Cleve heads take a fair bit of work to make them run well, ie custom valves like you guys did, welding up dead spots in ports and recutting the ports etc. A cleve can be made to run well, but for how much money and effort? There are times when a stockCleveland head may be a good choice, but certainly not in a street car that's trying to achieve a very high level of performance and still be drivable. As I said before, stock C heads will run nice on the street and make ok power, but that's all, just ok, nothing spectacular.
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From: DFW
RE: 351 cleveland rebuild??
ORIGINAL: my77stang
i'll gladly send you a set of 2v heads with a fresh valve job in exchange for your 4v heads
i kinda wish i had a 2v heads instead of 4, but hey, what can i do, right?