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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 12:38 PM
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open your pockets and butter your cheeks cuz is gonna be an expensive and rough ride!

If your going classic go with big block. If your going to make a 150k show stopper and have the money and time to spend, GOOD LUCK!
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 01:11 PM
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The 03/04 Cobra engines can make some serious power(the n/a 4V 4.6's are so so), but again, what does it cost to get that engine in the first place? The Mod family is expensive. By the time you get the engine, fabricate everything to make it fit etc, you could have built a 351 with a blower that makes more power for less money that fits in the car. If you want to put in a Mod engine just to do it, fine, but if cost is a factor, the Mod family is the last engine family to consider just because of the expense. A Mustang that came with a Mod is one thing, but having to go out and get the engine and management system for it seperately is another issue entirely.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 03:17 PM
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A complete Heidt's Mustang II kit is just under $2000.00 and you get rack-n-pinion steering, disc brakes, and then you can putANY engine you want in it with NO Problems. And the car will handle way better then it ever did. I put one in my daughters 66 Mustang, because I could not get the SVO 2.3 Turbo engine to fit with the header and bigger turbo on it. A buddy road racers a 66 fastback with that suspension and he has never had anything but positive commints about it. Plus those shock towers just SUCK and weigh alot also.
Here are some picture of the suspension I did.

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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 03:59 PM
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thats pretty sweet, you'd never expect to find a turbo 2.3 under the hood of a classic[8D]
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 07:31 PM
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67 evil eleanor

Not to mention the fact that it will sit in traffic and mind its manners.
Power and pleasure...exactly why I am interested in it.I understand that it would take $$$ and fabrication, but it seems that I could find a wrecked donor car and pull the motor, trans, and rear end along with the computer and wiring and be on a right track. My buddy found a 97 cobra motor for $1000. So as far as finding the parts, I am not worried its the prep work.

Thanks for all of the input, but I am still in limbo about it.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 09:56 PM
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But the 97 was one of the slowest cobras made thats why so cheap.If you do go for it stay away from the mustang 2 kits they weaken the car and make it handle worse.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 10:35 PM
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I am not goin to get that motor, it was just an example of the ability to get my hands on one. The motor would be rebuilt to my likings also. How come it is a half and half decision on the mustang II kits? It's gotta be one or the other.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:27 PM
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The reason i say that is a ackerman b it puts all weight on the frame rails when ford designed these cars the firewall was where the went went.And most people that use the mustang 2 kit run a support tube from the front of the frame rail to the firewall like this http://www.martzchassis.net/page3.htm or go for something like this http://www.fatmanfab.com/catalogpage.php?page=22
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 12:02 AM
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The n/a DOHC 4.6's had crappy cams(in the n/a Cobras), and no power. That's why the n/a DOHC 4.6 in the Mach 1's made them almost a whole second faster in the 1/4, even with more weight. Different cams/intake. You could rebuild a Mod, sure, but parts availability is more limited and the Mods are vastly more complex and expensive. If you want tons of power and drivability, you could get an aftermarket Dart 351 block, run the $5,000 FAST XFI fuel injection setup, put a turbo on it, and make as much power as a blown 5.4 for the same or less money. And you wouldn't need to do anything special to make it fit. A setup like that will easily make way more power then you could ever control on the street, and have exceptional manners.

Then when you factor in all the "little stuff" that a project like this creates, things that you didn't anticipate that happen along the way, and the cost, you're into it for a boatload of cash, and the return on investment becomes poor.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/crate...dularcobra.asp

Those are the modular crate engines from Ford. Consider too that Ford's crate engines are reasonably priced for what thy are, and come with a factory warranty. You'll notice that a 4.6L for the power/build you want is just under $7k. And that's with no accessories, no intake, no t/b or MAF, no harness, no engine management etc. The production 5.4L with a blower out of the GT500's is $16k and still needs a harness and PCM. And that's just for the engine, then you need harness, PCM, sensors, custom exhaust....good luck finding headers. Then a tune etc. Yeah, you can get a used one, but that may be a good or bad thing. And a rebuild is NOT going to be cheap like with a 302/351. And if you don't know what it takes to rebuild a Mod, then DON'T try it, you'll just destroy your engine. That means taking it to a shop that can, and Mods are complex and labor intensive.

If you're not prepared to spend $20,000 on a project like this, don't undertake it. You may get $10 grand into it and realise that you're only half way done. Also like I mentioned, Ford is likely to be discontinuing the Modular family in the next few years, which means the aftermarket support will dwindle with it, unlike the Windsor family that remained in production for over 40 years. There are a lot of things that need to be factored in before you do something like this, because it can easily cost you far more than you thought it might. Just stuff to consider.
Old Jan 25, 2008 | 08:23 AM
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andrewmp6 and 67mustang302 you are providing some real good reasons for not doing this. However; I don't think that some of the prices will be that high for the drivetrain. I believe that I could get a motor, trans, and wiring harness for a good deal; instead of piecing everything together. The only thing that I am unsure of is the front clip. I am still shaky on what is good and bad.



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