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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 09:22 AM
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Does anybody have pictures or step by step instructions on how to replace the taillamp panel for a 67 fastback??
Any pointers or things that i should look out for or be aware of??

What is the best way to drill out the spot welds??

I figured this was a good place to start. The taillamp panel, quarter skin, floorboard patch, cowl panel, and rocker panel arrived today.

I think i will go in this order

1. Taillamp panel
2. Floor patch-very small section
3. rocker panel
4. Quarter patch-i'm actually just taking a section out of the quarter panel and then welding it into the current one
5. Complete Cowl replacement.

I am sure i will have about 9 billion more questions as i move forward.
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 11:08 AM
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pretty much the jest of it make sure to use weld thru primer along the way
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 01:32 PM
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Why do i need to use weld through primer??

Where should i start to remove the panel??
Any hidden spot welds or anything??

Thanks
Old Apr 4, 2008 | 03:15 PM
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I highly encourage you to spend the money on a quick soda blasting of the car. It will reveal all of your weld points. Otherwise, you're going to be chasing spot welds. It can be done, but it'll be more difficult/time consuming. At a minimum, wire wheel the areas where youbelieve the spot welds to be and then using a spot weld cutter, have at it. When you buy the spot weld cutter, buy the best one you can afford, maybe even buy 2 or3. There are over 140 spot welds on the outer cowl panel alone.

Maybe you and I got off on the wrong foot, but look at it from my point of view....

I agree that I am an *** and won't argue this point with you, but I see guys get WAY over their head with these "project cars" and I'm not going to sugarcoat it for you. Everyone has big dreams, but the reality is it takes a lot of work to bring a car back from a "rough" condition. Very few have the time, skill or patience to expedite the needed repairs and inthe end, mostproject cars remain that until they're sold to someone capable of exacting those repairs.

I've built more Mustangs than I can count on both hands. Everyone single one of them startedlife as someone elses abandoned project. I never stated that I am a "professional" restorer. I do it on my cars for my own enjoyment and personal satisfaction. I use my experience to try and help others, but I'm not going be blowing kisses up your butt while doing so.

What bothered me most about your post the other day was not your excitement about your new FB, but the naivity of those commenting. "Nice car dude" and "Boy' that babies gonna be one SWEET ride" are IMO worthless comments probably made by someone who has never sunk $30k and 1000 man-hours into a project car before. I agree, it will be a SWEET car, but I'd rather save those comments until after the car has progressed to a point that the end is near. Right now, face it, your car needs a lot of work... and in it's present condition is "not" a sweet ride.

IMO, and this is only experience talking, I would've passed on this car. $6k from now, you'll have wished you'd bought something that wasn't as far gone and would have come with more of the FB specific parts. I'm sorry if you disagree with me on this, but re-visit my perspective when you're finished and I honestly believe you'll be saying "dave, was right, if I knew then what I know now, I'd have never started with a car that bad".

With all of thissaid... and hopefullythe air cleared a little...

Build a rotisserie. There are plans available on the internet or better yet, find a used one from someone who is done with theirs.

Sode blast the entire car.

Get used to wearing eye protection and put a box of quality band-aides on the workbench.

As for specific advice on your question,removal of thetailpanel is straightforward. Once the paint and any seam sealer is removed, all of the welds are self-explanatory. Tack weld the replacement tail panel on in a few spots and before doing any finish welding, double check to make sure your deck lid fits the trunk opening.

Good luck,
Dave

Old Apr 4, 2008 | 04:07 PM
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Good lord! I appreciate the advice about the panel and the rotis.

I know what i am in for and that is the whole reason whyi purchased this car. I'm going to do the small panels and then my friend who restores them for a living is going to take care of the front frame rails and roll bar. The car doesnt have any paint left on it really, so it would be pointless to soda blast it.
As soon as all the welding, etc is done the car is going to get dipped and e-coated. All of the parts off the donor will be gettting dipped and powdercoated.

I'm taking this one step at a time. I like big projects and this is what i want, period.

Look on ebay right now and you will find far far worse cars going for 7gs. They may have the interior parts unlike my car, but i can source the ones specific for fastbacks later on. The coupe i purchased has most everything i need.
Old Apr 5, 2008 | 01:08 AM
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ORIGINAL: davesanborn

I highly encourage you to spend the money on a quick soda blasting of the car. It will reveal all of your weld points. Otherwise, you're going to be chasing spot welds. It can be done, but it'll be more difficult/time consuming. At a minimum, wire wheel the areas where you believe the spot welds to be and then using a spot weld cutter, have at it. When you buy the spot weld cutter, buy the best one you can afford, maybe even buy 2 or 3. There are over 140 spot welds on the outer cowl panel alone.

Maybe you and I got off on the wrong foot, but look at it from my point of view....

I agree that I am an *** and won't argue this point with you, but I see guys get WAY over their head with these "project cars" and I'm not going to sugarcoat it for you. Everyone has big dreams, but the reality is it takes a lot of work to bring a car back from a "rough" condition. Very few have the time, skill or patience to expedite the needed repairs and in the end, most project cars remain that until they're sold to someone capable of exacting those repairs.

I've built more Mustangs than I can count on both hands. Everyone single one of them started life as someone elses abandoned project. I never stated that I am a "professional" restorer. I do it on my cars for my own enjoyment and personal satisfaction. I use my experience to try and help others, but I'm not going be blowing kisses up your butt while doing so.

What bothered me most about your post the other day was not your excitement about your new FB, but the naivity of those commenting. "Nice car dude" and "Boy' that babies gonna be one SWEET ride" are IMO worthless comments probably made by someone who has never sunk $30k and 1000 man-hours into a project car before. I agree, it will be a SWEET car, but I'd rather save those comments until after the car has progressed to a point that the end is near. Right now, face it, your car needs a lot of work... and in it's present condition is "not" a sweet ride.

IMO, and this is only experience talking, I would've passed on this car. $6k from now, you'll have wished you'd bought something that wasn't as far gone and would have come with more of the FB specific parts. I'm sorry if you disagree with me on this, but re-visit my perspective when you're finished and I honestly believe you'll be saying "dave, was right, if I knew then what I know now, I'd have never started with a car that bad".

With all of this said... and hopefully the air cleared a little...

Build a rotisserie. There are plans available on the internet or better yet, find a used one from someone who is done with theirs.

Sode blast the entire car.

Get used to wearing eye protection and put a box of quality band-aides on the workbench.

As for specific advice on your question, removal of the tailpanel is straightforward. Once the paint and any seam sealer is removed, all of the welds are self-explanatory. Tack weld the replacement tail panel on in a few spots and before doing any finish welding, double check to make sure your deck lid fits the trunk opening.

Good luck,
Dave

Honestly dude? GTFO. I'm 17 years old, and have put about 8-10k into my mustang. Even if I didnt own a mustang, I would still be proud to tell 67fastbackshell that his car is sweet. I honestly dont think you deserve the cars you have built if you dont see the beauty in a rusted out shell like this. 67fastbackshell revived a vette in similar condition and obviously knows what he is getting in to, which he has proved to us with pictures. Lets see some of the "abandoned projects" you have saved. Were any of them, by chance purchased at Barrett Jackson? Because obviously, those cars are hopeless and all the ppl who buy them will be saying, "dave, was right, if I knew then what I know now, I'd have never started with a car that bad". You obviously dont care for this forum, which is your choice, so just leave and go back to your pedestal.
Old Apr 5, 2008 | 01:10 AM
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yeah i know where a rough 67 fastback is if i had some cash id order up the sheet metal and fix it and have another toy probably could get the guy to come off of it for about 900$ with his 68 coupe to go along with it

it will be a trying project mine was a shell when i got it now its a running and driving car 3 years later and 18.5k too but ill have a complete restomod fastback for less than 20k

heres one of the few early pics i have of the car, someone stole my pic album[:@][:@][:@][:@]
Old Apr 5, 2008 | 07:22 AM
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Dave issimply tellingthe truth. So often people get into things over their heads and thus leads to an abandon project. Now a days you can bring almost anything back up from the ashes, provided that your wallet and skill level can withstand the blow. A lot of what I read on this forum is "opinionated", so therefore, we all have the right to such.Dave has offered his opinion, gave some sound advice, andoffered an exhibit on how to fix the panel.Telling someone to leave the forum andgo back to theirpedestal, especiallywhen they havethousands of hours of experience and are willing to help others.............well thats just plain stupid.
Old Apr 5, 2008 | 09:11 AM
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hey man welcome! we need more people like you for our hobby to stay alive. but these guys are right, blast the car first. then get some primer sprayed on it right away to prevent rust. and just start repairing from one end to the other. take your time dont half *** it. invest in a spot weld cutter with lots and lots of bits. a good mig welder. unless you have all this stuff already. the most important thing when repairing any part that has an exterior part hanging from it like a bumper or fender, is to just spot weld the panel on in a coulple places then bolt everything on and make sure everything fits like it should before doing final welding. not everything will! i can tell you this from personal experience, most likely youll be using repro parts. as nos stuff is too expensive. some repro stuff fits pretty good then theres others that just dont fit without modifications. the key is to take your time and move ,shift, hammer, heat, things till they fit, after a while it will. and you never know someone here may live close and be willing to help out. just dont get overwhelmed, set reasonable goals, and eventually youll get there. and as far as questions, thats why this forum is here. we all have or have had them. and by the way hopefully mr happy dave gave you enough fuel for the fire to finish the car. prove him wrong!
Old Apr 5, 2008 | 09:24 AM
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Make sure you have a spot weld cutter a normal drill bit takes longer and can drill though easy.



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