toploader questions
i have a 351w that i am looking to put a toploader into, one guy has one, but it doesnt have the tag on it, how do i know if it will work of not? and it also doesnt have the shifter, linkage,or bellhousing, how hard are these to find?
Can you post a pic of it? Bell housing should not be hard to come by. Probably $30 at a junkyard. Shifter and linkage can be bought from HURST. That will be way better than any factory shifter or linkage you can find.
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First make sure it's a toploader.
Imposters
Then you have to figure out if it's a big or small block toploader. (The input shafts, where the pilot bushing seats, are different lengths and possibly diameters.) Count splines on input and output also.
Toploader History
This may help.
Buying used Toploaders
Imposters
Then you have to figure out if it's a big or small block toploader. (The input shafts, where the pilot bushing seats, are different lengths and possibly diameters.) Count splines on input and output also.
Toploader History
This may help.
Buying used Toploaders
FYI
Just keep in mind that the seller wants to sell. If you ask him "it will fit"
Get out the tap and you can always change out the driveshaft yoak
Just a little moreto addwith Oxnard
Ford used the toploader in almost all production cars from 1964 to 1973. The transmission even ended up in some foreign cars.
A 1 1/16" input shaft was used in motors from the 200 CID to the 390 CID. The larger motors such as the 427, 428 and 429 used a larger 1 3/8" input shaft. The big block motors offered only close ratio gears in the toploader. The smaller engines offered both close ratio and wide ratio gears.
The gear box of the toploader came in three case lengths. The 1964 & 65 Fairlanes, the TVR, Griffiths and Sunbeam Tigers used a 25 1/2" case. The 427 & 428 Cobras, all Mustangs, Falcons, Mavericks, Cougars, 1966 & 67 Fairlanes and Comets used a 24" case. All full size Fords and the 428, 429 Cyclone and Torinos had a 27" case. The 1964 toploader had a small 4 hole maincase with small OD bearing retainers. All the 1965-73 cases were wide 8 hole with larger OD bearing retainer.
The spline output shafts were also different. The 1964 and early 1965 25 spline output shafts proved to be defective and were quickly replaced. A 28 spline output shaft was used in cars from the 200 CID to the 390 CID. The big blocks had a 31 spline shaft. The toploader was used in 133 different models of Fords.
Just keep in mind that the seller wants to sell. If you ask him "it will fit"
Get out the tap and you can always change out the driveshaft yoak
Just a little moreto addwith Oxnard
Ford used the toploader in almost all production cars from 1964 to 1973. The transmission even ended up in some foreign cars.
A 1 1/16" input shaft was used in motors from the 200 CID to the 390 CID. The larger motors such as the 427, 428 and 429 used a larger 1 3/8" input shaft. The big block motors offered only close ratio gears in the toploader. The smaller engines offered both close ratio and wide ratio gears.
The gear box of the toploader came in three case lengths. The 1964 & 65 Fairlanes, the TVR, Griffiths and Sunbeam Tigers used a 25 1/2" case. The 427 & 428 Cobras, all Mustangs, Falcons, Mavericks, Cougars, 1966 & 67 Fairlanes and Comets used a 24" case. All full size Fords and the 428, 429 Cyclone and Torinos had a 27" case. The 1964 toploader had a small 4 hole maincase with small OD bearing retainers. All the 1965-73 cases were wide 8 hole with larger OD bearing retainer.
The spline output shafts were also different. The 1964 and early 1965 25 spline output shafts proved to be defective and were quickly replaced. A 28 spline output shaft was used in cars from the 200 CID to the 390 CID. The big blocks had a 31 spline shaft. The toploader was used in 133 different models of Fords.
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<\\;P>\\;Excellent post. My toploader came from a 68 stang with a 390. For it to fit my 65 I had a machine shop lengthen the shaft, on the end, so it would slip up into the pilot bearing. Has worked fine for many years. We tore it apart 700 miles back and replaced a couple syncronizers. Toploader is a great tranny but I am swapping mine out now for a t-5 for the overdrive gear.<\\;/P>\\;
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<\\;P>\\;Excellent post. My toploader came from a 68 stang with a 390. For it to fit my 65 I had a machine shop lengthen the shaft, on the end, so it would slip up into the pilot bearing. Has worked fine for many years. We tore it apart 700 miles back and replaced a couple syncronizers. Toploader is a great tranny but I am swapping mine out now for a t-5 for the overdrive gear.<\\;/P>\\;
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Sizing up a used manual transmission
To check the condition of the trans, rotate the input shaft and see how smoothly it turns. when rotating it note if it has much side to side play and or end-play (for and aft). Also check the output shaft for end play. As a transmission gets a lot of miles the input and output shaft get sloppier. Also I would see if you can get a shifter before you go look at it. If you can git a shifter bolt it up when you go to look at it and make sure it shifts properly. Also look at the input shaft and see how worn or gauled up the end is from riding in the pilot bearing. An older more worn trans will show lots of where on the input shaft.
To check the condition of the trans, rotate the input shaft and see how smoothly it turns. when rotating it note if it has much side to side play and or end-play (for and aft). Also check the output shaft for end play. As a transmission gets a lot of miles the input and output shaft get sloppier. Also I would see if you can get a shifter before you go look at it. If you can git a shifter bolt it up when you go to look at it and make sure it shifts properly. Also look at the input shaft and see how worn or gauled up the end is from riding in the pilot bearing. An older more worn trans will show lots of where on the input shaft.
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