hmm, i was always under the impression C builds were pricier than W

 

The FE 390 motor is not even close to being as versitile and accepting to the aftermarket as a windsor based small block. The availability and market of parts you can get for a 302/351 windsor ford is incredible. Especially if your on a budget you can make power cheaper with this popular series of engine compared to the dinosaur 390. Don't get me wrong, the FE block engine can make serious power too, but it's heavier and not as popular as the windsor series engines making parts more expensive and harder to come by, not to mention fewer selection. If it was my 67? windsor indeed......

 

Yaysus. Some Maths there dodge. Not unfair with the alum heads on the windsor. But yes if I could pick any of those two it probably would be the c. But 6000 is not a budget build but probably plenty of fun. As for the 5speed. Which one is it? If it's a stock t5 it probably go bang behind a 351. Even if stock

 

yup, its a world class. i got that already in the car, but im hoping to pick up a tremec or richmond later on

 

complete 390 w/trans for 450, if you want to come to the tundra i mean mn
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ra...564246285.html

 

Let's be clear on my opinion here which quite a few people will agree with.

You can build a 351c stroker to perform on the same level as the 351w stroker with the W running aftermarket alum heads while the C is running stock 4v heads with the addition of an adjustable valve train.

You can not build a 351w stroker to perform on the same level as the 351c stroker without dumping so much money in the w heads that it would have been cheaper to buy aftermarket alum heads.

The point of the spreadsheet is that factually demonstrates both part numbers and catalog prices that there is no real cost difference in the basic engine building parts for either of the motors (which is one of the longest running myths about the 351c motor propogated by magazines and internet forums) and that a performance buildup to comparable power levels for 351c and 351w are close enough in price that IMO one is just as good as the other and that if cost is a concern to build up which ever one you own already.

 

Not sure what's in you car now but the biggest bang for your limited bucks is a
rear gear swap. You'll feel ALOT more power with a 4.11 gear and since you already
have a 5-speed, it will be fine on the highway.

 

the gearing im running is 3.55. im pretty satisfied with that ratio, but the 5.0 needs to come out. 302 isnt doing it for me anymore

 

I agree with everything that has been said. The 351w is a very nice upgrade that allows future upgrades. I also like the 351c motor but they sure seem hard to find in good condition for a decent price. Having said that, I think if you are looking at alot of bang for the buck, a bone stock 390 can give you 325hp and with some simple upgrades can give you around 400hp. That is what I did with mine and love it. Alot of fun to drive around and even though 400hp isn't huge, the torque on the 390 is very fun to drive around. I started out with 225 street tires all around and learned right away it was not going to work. I bumped it up to 275s on the back and still will burn rubber on dry pavement on hard acceleration with no trouble at all. PRetty fun to turn a corner and stomp it as you are coming out of the corner and slide the back end around the corner as you come out of the turn. Even stock, the 4v 390 is pretty fun but with less than a thousand in it, it is great.

HEre is a shot of mine

 

Im with Dodgestang.

You can build a 351C with the stock stroke for less than $3000 and it will stomp a mudhole in a similar W build, its tough to beat the stock heads. Even the 2v heads work better than stock W heads and you can pick them up dirt cheap. I paid something like $75 for a pair of M heads to put in the Cougar. New valves, springs, etc and I have all of $450 in them. Its just a cruiser engine but should be right around 400hp/tq.

I picked up a set of 4V heads on here for around $350, and he sent the intake and a few other parts along with it. They are out there you just have to want them.

Think about this for a minute. HOTROD magazine had an article not too long ago, I posted it on here earlier this month. It compared Ford small blocks vs chevy small blocks from the Shelby 289 to the BOSS 351 in 71. Guess what engine made the most power with very mild cam timing. 380hp+ from the 351 with an adjustable valvetrain in stock form with only a set of headers on it. Actually the headers were kinda small for a 4V at 1 3/4". Clevelands also made more bottom end than the overcammed chevy 350s.

The scariest small block I ever built was a 71 4V with a Comp Cams 280H, it had the stock 4300 carb and blackjack headers. That was pretty much all there was to it, and it would put the 72 Grande sideways from idle without holding the brake, and that was with a stock converter in the FMX and 3.00 gears. Its the same engine that is probably going in the POD when its done. It should be absolutely nuts with a 2400 stall and 3.50 gears in a much lighter car than a Grande. What engine do you think made the tires under the POD now bald? They arent exactly small and they hooked pretty well on every other car I put them under.

No need for most aftermarket stuff, just new rod bolts, new valves and springs, cam it a bit, and throw some headers on it. 400hp is so easy with a Cleveland, and they are light too. Unlike 390/460 etc.