V8 engine swap
12-01-2006, 01:23 AM
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V8 engine swap
Alright, My friend has a 2003 Mustang V6. hes basically looking for a v8 engine swap. What do you guys recommend? And where on the Internet he can find one? etc...
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12-01-2006, 02:03 AM
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RE: V8 engine swap
i just did a 1997 v6 to a 1999 gt swap, i will tell you , you need everything, engine trans if auto to stick conversion, wiring, power brake system is different, v6 wont fit when you puty the gt engine in
your rear end will need to be swapped our becuse it is weak and the gears are to high!!!
v6 and gt fuel system is different, from tank to engine
basically your body would be same but everything that bolts to it would need to change,
lets not forget, your factory alarm system, you have 2 choices, install everything then tow it to the ford dealer and have them re program the system, or but a sct tuner with the pats disabled
if your looking for the swap i have a guy in huntsville al with a 2000 gt auto trans that wants 2200 plus shipping for engine trans and ecu
but i would recomend jsut finding a wrecked gt buy it and put the cars side by side and swap out everything ,
but guarenteed, its easier to just get a supercharger or a turbo and get it tuned and would be same as a stock gt or better
end result
i have $7500 into total swap
and still not finished
your rear end will need to be swapped our becuse it is weak and the gears are to high!!!
v6 and gt fuel system is different, from tank to engine
basically your body would be same but everything that bolts to it would need to change,
lets not forget, your factory alarm system, you have 2 choices, install everything then tow it to the ford dealer and have them re program the system, or but a sct tuner with the pats disabled
if your looking for the swap i have a guy in huntsville al with a 2000 gt auto trans that wants 2200 plus shipping for engine trans and ecu
but i would recomend jsut finding a wrecked gt buy it and put the cars side by side and swap out everything ,
but guarenteed, its easier to just get a supercharger or a turbo and get it tuned and would be same as a stock gt or better
end result
i have $7500 into total swap
and still not finished
12-01-2006, 02:17 AM
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RE: V8 engine swap
he doesnt want to.... hes got a sick body kit on his current v6, and he redid the entire suspension and through some brembo brakes on there. the car is sick right now, he just wants more power in the same car.
12-01-2006, 04:31 PM
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RE: V8 engine swap
you know, I've got a 94 v-6 that i'm swappin 2 a V-8. LET ME SAY THAT A SUPERCHARGED V-6 IS NOT THE SAME AS A V-8! Guess you have to drive one to know there is NO replacement for a v-8. The sound, the feel, the torque... a v-6 just isn't the same. I'm kinda disappointed in everybody out there whose hatin on us guys who like to build cars. Sellin the v-6 car for one with a v-8 takes all the fun and pride out of a vehicle. A car just isn't yours until you put the hours in. Hey, i'd tell you from experience, you're probably gunna need quite a bit of time, so you had better have another mode of transportation. You need to have resources availible to you such as wrenches, sockets, air ratchet, impact, etc. Another good thing to have to save money is a welder. The motor mounts are gonna have to be modified and the cheapest way to do it is make your own as long as you or someone you know can weld. Of course you're gunna have to have a cherry picker or something similar. First thing I would do is take the sheet metal off of the engine compartment to give you plenty of room to work, both on removing the 6, modifyin the engine bay and installin the 8. Man, i got the same **** for responses when I posted my project on here. There is a way to do anything, you jus gotta have some know-how and creativity. For this man Onegreedy, don't you have a lot more pride in your car since YOU put hours and hours of YOUR time into it? Slappin on forced induction don't make a car yours. Guess you gotta be a little old-school to understand.
12-02-2006, 01:44 AM
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RE: V8 engine swap
mod the 6, it has stronger rods, mains, block and crank then any of the v-8s, and the heads will outflow NPI 4.6 and 5.0 heads
http://v6power.net/
http://3.8mustang.com/
http://www.moranav6racing.com/catego...?CategoryID=16
http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/
http://tmaturbo.com/
http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index.php?
http://www.drivetrainspecialists.com...-75/index.html
by the way $7500 for a 2V swap!? i would have that 3.8 running in the mid 10s for that price[8D]
http://v6power.net/
http://3.8mustang.com/
http://www.moranav6racing.com/catego...?CategoryID=16
http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/
http://tmaturbo.com/
http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index.php?
http://www.drivetrainspecialists.com...-75/index.html
by the way $7500 for a 2V swap!? i would have that 3.8 running in the mid 10s for that price[8D]
12-02-2006, 03:09 PM
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RE: V8 engine swap
ORIGINAL: jknoxville456
you know, I've got a 94 v-6 that i'm swappin 2 a V-8. LET ME SAY THAT A SUPERCHARGED V-6 IS NOT THE SAME AS A V-8! Guess you have to drive one to know there is NO replacement for a v-8. The sound, the feel, the torque... a v-6 just isn't the same. I'm kinda disappointed in everybody out there whose hatin on us guys who like to build cars. Sellin the v-6 car for one with a v-8 takes all the fun and pride out of a vehicle. A car just isn't yours until you put the hours in. Hey, i'd tell you from experience, you're probably gunna need quite a bit of time, so you had better have another mode of transportation. You need to have resources availible to you such as wrenches, sockets, air ratchet, impact, etc. Another good thing to have to save money is a welder. The motor mounts are gonna have to be modified and the cheapest way to do it is make your own as long as you or someone you know can weld. Of course you're gunna have to have a cherry picker or something similar. First thing I would do is take the sheet metal off of the engine compartment to give you plenty of room to work, both on removing the 6, modifyin the engine bay and installin the 8. Man, i got the same **** for responses when I posted my project on here. There is a way to do anything, you jus gotta have some know-how and creativity. For this man Onegreedy, don't you have a lot more pride in your car since YOU put hours and hours of YOUR time into it? Slappin on forced induction don't make a car yours. Guess you gotta be a little old-school to understand.
you know, I've got a 94 v-6 that i'm swappin 2 a V-8. LET ME SAY THAT A SUPERCHARGED V-6 IS NOT THE SAME AS A V-8! Guess you have to drive one to know there is NO replacement for a v-8. The sound, the feel, the torque... a v-6 just isn't the same. I'm kinda disappointed in everybody out there whose hatin on us guys who like to build cars. Sellin the v-6 car for one with a v-8 takes all the fun and pride out of a vehicle. A car just isn't yours until you put the hours in. Hey, i'd tell you from experience, you're probably gunna need quite a bit of time, so you had better have another mode of transportation. You need to have resources availible to you such as wrenches, sockets, air ratchet, impact, etc. Another good thing to have to save money is a welder. The motor mounts are gonna have to be modified and the cheapest way to do it is make your own as long as you or someone you know can weld. Of course you're gunna have to have a cherry picker or something similar. First thing I would do is take the sheet metal off of the engine compartment to give you plenty of room to work, both on removing the 6, modifyin the engine bay and installin the 8. Man, i got the same **** for responses when I posted my project on here. There is a way to do anything, you jus gotta have some know-how and creativity. For this man Onegreedy, don't you have a lot more pride in your car since YOU put hours and hours of YOUR time into it? Slappin on forced induction don't make a car yours. Guess you gotta be a little old-school to understand.
There's no "hatin'" going on here, it's realism. First off, bear in mind that the original poster's friend has a 2003, not a 94. That opens a whole bag of worms in dealing with the PATS system. To make the car run, he's either going to have to swap in the entire engine and computer system from a 99-04 car or go with a carb'd 5.0. Depending on which one he goes with, that's either really expensive or really backwoods in a 99. I would also bet that, being the owner of a V6 with a "sick body kit" who has a friend ask his questions on the intraweb, he isn't going to turn the wrenches himself. The labor on a job like this would be in the thousands of dollars. Building it yourself is great and I do all my own stuff as well (and am certainly old enough to be Old School), but most people that ask this kind of question have absolutely no idea of what they're getting into. For these people, buying the car they want in the first place is far and away the better way to go. To modify an old adage, "if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be doing it".
12-03-2006, 01:46 AM
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RE: V8 engine swap
ORIGINAL: wythors
There's no "hatin'" going on here, it's realism. First off, bear in mind that the original poster's friend has a 2003, not a 94. That opens a whole bag of worms in dealing with the PATS system. To make the car run, he's either going to have to swap in the entire engine and computer system from a 99-04 car or go with a carb'd 5.0. Depending on which one he goes with, that's either really expensive or really backwoods in a 99. I would also bet that, being the owner of a V6 with a "sick body kit" who has a friend ask his questions on the intraweb, he isn't going to turn the wrenches himself. The labor on a job like this would be in the thousands of dollars. Building it yourself is great and I do all my own stuff as well (and am certainly old enough to be Old School), but most people that ask this kind of question have absolutely no idea of what they're getting into. For these people, buying the car they want in the first place is far and away the better way to go. To modify an old adage, "if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be doing it".
ORIGINAL: jknoxville456
you know, I've got a 94 v-6 that i'm swappin 2 a V-8. LET ME SAY THAT A SUPERCHARGED V-6 IS NOT THE SAME AS A V-8! Guess you have to drive one to know there is NO replacement for a v-8. The sound, the feel, the torque... a v-6 just isn't the same. I'm kinda disappointed in everybody out there whose hatin on us guys who like to build cars. Sellin the v-6 car for one with a v-8 takes all the fun and pride out of a vehicle. A car just isn't yours until you put the hours in. Hey, i'd tell you from experience, you're probably gunna need quite a bit of time, so you had better have another mode of transportation. You need to have resources availible to you such as wrenches, sockets, air ratchet, impact, etc. Another good thing to have to save money is a welder. The motor mounts are gonna have to be modified and the cheapest way to do it is make your own as long as you or someone you know can weld. Of course you're gunna have to have a cherry picker or something similar. First thing I would do is take the sheet metal off of the engine compartment to give you plenty of room to work, both on removing the 6, modifyin the engine bay and installin the 8. Man, i got the same **** for responses when I posted my project on here. There is a way to do anything, you jus gotta have some know-how and creativity. For this man Onegreedy, don't you have a lot more pride in your car since YOU put hours and hours of YOUR time into it? Slappin on forced induction don't make a car yours. Guess you gotta be a little old-school to understand.
you know, I've got a 94 v-6 that i'm swappin 2 a V-8. LET ME SAY THAT A SUPERCHARGED V-6 IS NOT THE SAME AS A V-8! Guess you have to drive one to know there is NO replacement for a v-8. The sound, the feel, the torque... a v-6 just isn't the same. I'm kinda disappointed in everybody out there whose hatin on us guys who like to build cars. Sellin the v-6 car for one with a v-8 takes all the fun and pride out of a vehicle. A car just isn't yours until you put the hours in. Hey, i'd tell you from experience, you're probably gunna need quite a bit of time, so you had better have another mode of transportation. You need to have resources availible to you such as wrenches, sockets, air ratchet, impact, etc. Another good thing to have to save money is a welder. The motor mounts are gonna have to be modified and the cheapest way to do it is make your own as long as you or someone you know can weld. Of course you're gunna have to have a cherry picker or something similar. First thing I would do is take the sheet metal off of the engine compartment to give you plenty of room to work, both on removing the 6, modifyin the engine bay and installin the 8. Man, i got the same **** for responses when I posted my project on here. There is a way to do anything, you jus gotta have some know-how and creativity. For this man Onegreedy, don't you have a lot more pride in your car since YOU put hours and hours of YOUR time into it? Slappin on forced induction don't make a car yours. Guess you gotta be a little old-school to understand.
There's no "hatin'" going on here, it's realism. First off, bear in mind that the original poster's friend has a 2003, not a 94. That opens a whole bag of worms in dealing with the PATS system. To make the car run, he's either going to have to swap in the entire engine and computer system from a 99-04 car or go with a carb'd 5.0. Depending on which one he goes with, that's either really expensive or really backwoods in a 99. I would also bet that, being the owner of a V6 with a "sick body kit" who has a friend ask his questions on the intraweb, he isn't going to turn the wrenches himself. The labor on a job like this would be in the thousands of dollars. Building it yourself is great and I do all my own stuff as well (and am certainly old enough to be Old School), but most people that ask this kind of question have absolutely no idea of what they're getting into. For these people, buying the car they want in the first place is far and away the better way to go. To modify an old adage, "if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be doing it".
12-03-2006, 02:59 AM
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RE: V8 engine swap
Well, I used to (still do technically, but trying to sell) have a black 2000 V6. It was my first real car, besides an old minivan my mom gave me, which I sold on ebay then turned around and saved up and bought this Mustang. I got the V6 cuz I liked Mustangs, it was a good deal, and not really knowing a ton about cars seemed like a good idea at the time. However, the car inspired me to go further, quench my thirst for speed and so I started looking into mods. Well, one of my buddies who's dad is a mechanic and race car driver said he had a couple 5.0HO engines, and a couple 4.6 liter engines. The 5.0 came out of a Cougar and one from a Thunderbird which had it swapped out for it's original Turbo 4cylinder engine. I thought this sounded like a good idea, I was seriously interested.
I thought, I never want to get rid of my high school beauty of a car, but I want V8 power, this is the way to go. Then the parts list was made up and pretty much included everything from new brake system and rearend (which is a safe and smart idea, although I know a couple guys who still run with a 7.5 and a V8, but it's just waiting to give out) to new wire harnesses and engine mounts. A 5.0 actually mounts better than a 4.6 in the 2000 V6. The bolt patterns are more alike I think. Basically, unless you want to ghetto rig (didn't want to use racial language) it, then you better change everything. If not, your looking at reliablility problems, general engine problems, tackey engine lights on, unsafe, possibly even slower and sound like crap car. Unless you really know what you are doing, I learned it was just stupid. So I took some advice. I noticed, everyone said JUST BUY A GT. So I did. I went and bought a 1996 GT, it has a 4.6 liter engine obviously, supercharged, CAI, lowering kit, basically just modded to death, Saleen body kit, Cobra R wheels, 5 speed, etc etc with 75000 miles. Low for a 96.
I never thought I would sell the black one, but when I pushed down on the gas and stuck to the back of the seat like never before, I screwed every thought of swapping engines. The interesting thing, I bought the car for 7750, selling mine for 6500. The estimate for parts and labor on a swap, full out. Not including wanting to change from auto to manual. I got quoted at roughly 10K with tax and everything, but that was just a rough estimate. I would have done it by myself, or with a few buddies to save a few bucks, but I wanted a donor car then and that would cost pretty penny for one with decent miles on it. It's just a waste of time. Forget the body kit. Sell his car, some kid will buy it cuz it looks cool. Find a GT/cobra on ebay for him to buy with a nice cool body kit. Then take the money he saves and repaint it like the old one.
Sorry if this was confusing, it's twelve, I'm bored, I'm tired, I can't sleep.
I thought, I never want to get rid of my high school beauty of a car, but I want V8 power, this is the way to go. Then the parts list was made up and pretty much included everything from new brake system and rearend (which is a safe and smart idea, although I know a couple guys who still run with a 7.5 and a V8, but it's just waiting to give out) to new wire harnesses and engine mounts. A 5.0 actually mounts better than a 4.6 in the 2000 V6. The bolt patterns are more alike I think. Basically, unless you want to ghetto rig (didn't want to use racial language) it, then you better change everything. If not, your looking at reliablility problems, general engine problems, tackey engine lights on, unsafe, possibly even slower and sound like crap car. Unless you really know what you are doing, I learned it was just stupid. So I took some advice. I noticed, everyone said JUST BUY A GT. So I did. I went and bought a 1996 GT, it has a 4.6 liter engine obviously, supercharged, CAI, lowering kit, basically just modded to death, Saleen body kit, Cobra R wheels, 5 speed, etc etc with 75000 miles. Low for a 96.
I never thought I would sell the black one, but when I pushed down on the gas and stuck to the back of the seat like never before, I screwed every thought of swapping engines. The interesting thing, I bought the car for 7750, selling mine for 6500. The estimate for parts and labor on a swap, full out. Not including wanting to change from auto to manual. I got quoted at roughly 10K with tax and everything, but that was just a rough estimate. I would have done it by myself, or with a few buddies to save a few bucks, but I wanted a donor car then and that would cost pretty penny for one with decent miles on it. It's just a waste of time. Forget the body kit. Sell his car, some kid will buy it cuz it looks cool. Find a GT/cobra on ebay for him to buy with a nice cool body kit. Then take the money he saves and repaint it like the old one.
Sorry if this was confusing, it's twelve, I'm bored, I'm tired, I can't sleep.
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