Technical Question
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Technical Question
Ok, So I'm looking at getting Long Tube headers and either an X pipe or an H pipe with high flow cats. I've heard that an X pipe will give your exhaust a tingy sound verses an H pipe that has a deeper sound. My question is, does an X pipe really give you that much better performance over an H pipe? I mean are we talking a 1 to 2 horsepower difference or are the numbers greater? I have Mac axle backs also so will an X pipe even give that tingy sound? Also I remember reading on hear about this set-up helping in reducing Drone. Is this true at all? I've gotten used to the drone but I wouldn't mind it being reduced a little.
Headers choices are either Mac, Kooks, Dynatech
and matching mid pipe to complete.
Crazyal had a good write up about headers and the 1 5/8 verses the 1 3/4 for the headers and the quality of stainless used. That was a great help but I couldn't find anything pertaining to the questions above.
Any help would be awesome !!!
Thanks, George
Headers choices are either Mac, Kooks, Dynatech
and matching mid pipe to complete.
Crazyal had a good write up about headers and the 1 5/8 verses the 1 3/4 for the headers and the quality of stainless used. That was a great help but I couldn't find anything pertaining to the questions above.
Any help would be awesome !!!
Thanks, George
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I will let you know tomorrow night.. I am currently running stock h pipe with Borla stingers (FRRP) changing to kooks set up with the x pipe etc and keeping the borla stingers...install is tomorrow AM....
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Ok, So I'm looking at getting Long Tube headers and either an X pipe or an H pipe with high flow cats. I've heard that an X pipe will give your exhaust a tingy sound verses an H pipe that has a deeper sound. My question is, does an X pipe really give you that much better performance over an H pipe? I mean are we talking a 1 to 2 horsepower difference or are the numbers greater? I have Mac axle backs also so will an X pipe even give that tingy sound? Also I remember reading on hear about this set-up helping in reducing Drone. Is this true at all? I've gotten used to the drone but I wouldn't mind it being reduced a little.
Headers choices are either Mac, Kooks, Dynatech
and matching mid pipe to complete.
Crazyal had a good write up about headers and the 1 5/8 verses the 1 3/4 for the headers and the quality of stainless used. That was a great help but I couldn't find anything pertaining to the questions above.
Any help would be awesome !!!
Thanks, George
Ok, So I'm looking at getting Long Tube headers and either an X pipe or an H pipe with high flow cats. I've heard that an X pipe will give your exhaust a tingy sound verses an H pipe that has a deeper sound. My question is, does an X pipe really give you that much better performance over an H pipe? I mean are we talking a 1 to 2 horsepower difference or are the numbers greater? I have Mac axle backs also so will an X pipe even give that tingy sound? Also I remember reading on hear about this set-up helping in reducing Drone. Is this true at all? I've gotten used to the drone but I wouldn't mind it being reduced a little.
Headers choices are either Mac, Kooks, Dynatech
and matching mid pipe to complete.
Crazyal had a good write up about headers and the 1 5/8 verses the 1 3/4 for the headers and the quality of stainless used. That was a great help but I couldn't find anything pertaining to the questions above.
Any help would be awesome !!!
Thanks, George
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Hey,
On a stock-ish engine an X-pipe is going to have a slight HP advantage over an H-pipe (assuming they are otherwise identical). It's not a huge amount. I would figure 2-4 HP or thereabouts. So no, the HP difference is not huge.
On the other hand, it can be very difficult to find an H-pipe that is compatible with Longtubes. Generally when you get longtubes you also get a matching midpipe from the same company. So, for example, if you bought "Brand X" LT Headers then you would also need a "Brand X" midpipe. The trouble is that most of the companies only make X-pipes, not H-pipes.
The difference in sound is not a big deal. Personally I wouldn't worry about it, and I'd make my decision based on price and quality of the components. Any LT setup is going to sound awesome.
On a stock-ish engine an X-pipe is going to have a slight HP advantage over an H-pipe (assuming they are otherwise identical). It's not a huge amount. I would figure 2-4 HP or thereabouts. So no, the HP difference is not huge.
On the other hand, it can be very difficult to find an H-pipe that is compatible with Longtubes. Generally when you get longtubes you also get a matching midpipe from the same company. So, for example, if you bought "Brand X" LT Headers then you would also need a "Brand X" midpipe. The trouble is that most of the companies only make X-pipes, not H-pipes.
The difference in sound is not a big deal. Personally I wouldn't worry about it, and I'd make my decision based on price and quality of the components. Any LT setup is going to sound awesome.
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mac axel backs, those are chambered muff arent they, i have headers and x pipe, and i went trough flowmasters 40 series, american thunders, and the mac, and i hated it, it sounded like chubacha on steriods at certain points, and the drone was unbarable, now i have borla non chambered muffs, and i love it
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I will let you know tomorrow night.. I am currently running stock h pipe with Borla stingers (FRRP) changing to kooks set up with the x pipe etc and keeping the borla stingers...install is tomorrow AM....
I will let you know tomorrow night.. I am currently running stock h pipe with Borla stingers (FRRP) changing to kooks set up with the x pipe etc and keeping the borla stingers...install is tomorrow AM....
Thanks,
-danny
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RE: Technical Question
I have the catted X from Kooks. I also have Mac ab's. I had a drone prior to the X and Lt's with the Macs it was not all the time though, it was only at certain rpm's. It went away after the Kooks install although I don't know why or if it was because of the X or the Lt's?. If you want to hear a sample click here Some old clips
although it does no justice to in person. You loose something with the speakers. If that link does not work just look in my sig for my car site.
Post some feedback after your install dude.
Good luck.
although it does no justice to in person. You loose something with the speakers. If that link does not work just look in my sig for my car site.
Post some feedback after your install dude.
Good luck.
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RE: Technical Question
ok Crazyal that was what I was looking for. Thank you. The only one that I found with an H pipe is the Mac's and its more of an H chamber I guess and not really an H pipe per say. I want Long tubes and that means I have to change the mid pipe. My neighbor has JBA's with there Catted X and Bassini's (sp) andit doesn't sound bad. What do you think of the Hooker set-up?
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RE: Technical Question
That is music to my ears flewbyu...... mine isn't bad just in 5th at low speeds around 1800 to 2000 grand. I listened to your clip and it sounded great but like you said I'm sure it doesn't do it justice. I found Kooks LT headers and catted X-pipe for around $1,300.00