Parish vs Eclipse
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
ORIGINAL: 2001 GT
I have at least 3 gigs of dsm videos. Beating vipers/vettes/T-88 supras whatever. Obviously on a domestic site you won't see them. Many of the import sites are skyline and supra fanboys so you always see there races. No one gives an F about a 15 year old mitsu.
In my hometown of around 100,000 I'm the slowest out of the 5 dsm guys I know who hang out together. There all in the 11's except 1. Two of the cars are on an untouched motor w/ over 100,000 miles and the other 3 have rods/pistons after either blowing something up or just doing a fresh build. My point is they didn't have to spend 10 grand, use nitrous, build their motors, strip down, or any other thing people think an import has to do. Just a decently sized turbo, fuel pump,injectors, FMIC wideband or dsmlink and thats about it. They still weigh 3000-3200 pounds, have a full interior, and use stock tires. Then theres also the 750+ hp guy. he drives his car quite a bit but being FWD instead of AWD he's making it more into a track car. With guys running high 10's on a 100% stock 4g63 motor, stock turbos going 11.5/11.6, you can see why theres quite a few fast ones. It holds power, end of story.
All the vids I posted have their website right in the link.
for example heres the tapp auto car for example. 10.0 flat, daily driven, well known in the area. actual street tires. and it will go 9's this year after a few tweaks.
http://tappauto.com/project.cfm?ProjectID=1
yes they turn down the boost on pump gas. But on the same note theres not many 8-10 second v-8's that'll run those times off the track w/ all seasons and without track prep the way those awd cars do on the street.
Many of the fastest 4g63 motored cars are listed here (eclipse, talon,evo)
http://www.dsmtimes.org/fastest.htm
Many of the fastest Ls1's are listed here
http://ls1.com/qtrmile1.htm
I'm defintely not saying there better then an LS1 i any way, just trying to show their are alot of guys flying for a 2.0 4 banger. 1g eclipses and talons are alot like 5.0's. You can buy them for 1 grand, there kinda ugly, you can run 12's for a few hundred, stock motor can hold 500-550+whp. So when somebody says ANY v8 will always be cheaper to mod in every circumstance I'd have to call BS.
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
I clicked on every single link, and all of them are videos of cars with no engine shots. One has a mod list, the rest are plain videos. I am sorry, there is no way in christ a guy is driving a 750 HP eclipse around on street gas, espcially on anything close to the stock displacement/motor. What is he running, 40+ PSI?
Lets see a vid of a guy running 9s on the strip, with a motor shot, and then the same guy cruising around town with the sucker, and filling it up at the gas station. It ain't gonna happen.
I am not the least suprised that 4cyl are running 9s. However, I would be suprised off my rocker if I saw anything close to a streetable true 9s car.
BTW 98LS1, there are plenty of domestic 9 second cars that are 100 percent streetable out there. MM&FF's last cobra shootout had quite a few cars in the 9s on a very streetable setup (so long as your willing to burn thru the MTs). A 408 fox with a 300 shot is easily a 9 second true daily driver, and I have no doubt there are LS1 cars with N20 that are running around town and capable of 9 second blasts.
Streetable BTW means a full interior, A/C, pump gas, tires that can drive in the rain, a car that doesn't need you to stay on the pedal to keep it running, etc etc.
Heres another question for ya: If eclipse are so badass, so easy to mod, etc, and the way that 2000SI and a few others like to post KB cobras getting beat down, where are the videos??
In fact, this is the first street vid I have seen of a decently fast eclipse, and I have almost 5 gigs of races on my hard drive alone, not to mention like 3 or 4 DVDs worth I have collected over the past 2 years. Where are all of these badass street eclipse's?
I clicked on every single link, and all of them are videos of cars with no engine shots. One has a mod list, the rest are plain videos. I am sorry, there is no way in christ a guy is driving a 750 HP eclipse around on street gas, espcially on anything close to the stock displacement/motor. What is he running, 40+ PSI?
Lets see a vid of a guy running 9s on the strip, with a motor shot, and then the same guy cruising around town with the sucker, and filling it up at the gas station. It ain't gonna happen.
I am not the least suprised that 4cyl are running 9s. However, I would be suprised off my rocker if I saw anything close to a streetable true 9s car.
BTW 98LS1, there are plenty of domestic 9 second cars that are 100 percent streetable out there. MM&FF's last cobra shootout had quite a few cars in the 9s on a very streetable setup (so long as your willing to burn thru the MTs). A 408 fox with a 300 shot is easily a 9 second true daily driver, and I have no doubt there are LS1 cars with N20 that are running around town and capable of 9 second blasts.
Streetable BTW means a full interior, A/C, pump gas, tires that can drive in the rain, a car that doesn't need you to stay on the pedal to keep it running, etc etc.
Heres another question for ya: If eclipse are so badass, so easy to mod, etc, and the way that 2000SI and a few others like to post KB cobras getting beat down, where are the videos??
In fact, this is the first street vid I have seen of a decently fast eclipse, and I have almost 5 gigs of races on my hard drive alone, not to mention like 3 or 4 DVDs worth I have collected over the past 2 years. Where are all of these badass street eclipse's?
In my hometown of around 100,000 I'm the slowest out of the 5 dsm guys I know who hang out together. There all in the 11's except 1. Two of the cars are on an untouched motor w/ over 100,000 miles and the other 3 have rods/pistons after either blowing something up or just doing a fresh build. My point is they didn't have to spend 10 grand, use nitrous, build their motors, strip down, or any other thing people think an import has to do. Just a decently sized turbo, fuel pump,injectors, FMIC wideband or dsmlink and thats about it. They still weigh 3000-3200 pounds, have a full interior, and use stock tires. Then theres also the 750+ hp guy. he drives his car quite a bit but being FWD instead of AWD he's making it more into a track car. With guys running high 10's on a 100% stock 4g63 motor, stock turbos going 11.5/11.6, you can see why theres quite a few fast ones. It holds power, end of story.
All the vids I posted have their website right in the link.
for example heres the tapp auto car for example. 10.0 flat, daily driven, well known in the area. actual street tires. and it will go 9's this year after a few tweaks.
http://tappauto.com/project.cfm?ProjectID=1
yes they turn down the boost on pump gas. But on the same note theres not many 8-10 second v-8's that'll run those times off the track w/ all seasons and without track prep the way those awd cars do on the street.
Many of the fastest 4g63 motored cars are listed here (eclipse, talon,evo)
http://www.dsmtimes.org/fastest.htm
Many of the fastest Ls1's are listed here
http://ls1.com/qtrmile1.htm
I'm defintely not saying there better then an LS1 i any way, just trying to show their are alot of guys flying for a 2.0 4 banger. 1g eclipses and talons are alot like 5.0's. You can buy them for 1 grand, there kinda ugly, you can run 12's for a few hundred, stock motor can hold 500-550+whp. So when somebody says ANY v8 will always be cheaper to mod in every circumstance I'd have to call BS.
What is the most HP ever made on the Tapp Dyno?
Currently the highest horsepower ever recorded on our dyno was 910.9 at the wheels from a 1990 Ford Mustang.
The highest import horsepower is 707 WHP from the Tapp Auto Eagle Talon
Currently the highest horsepower ever recorded on our dyno was 910.9 at the wheels from a 1990 Ford Mustang.
The highest import horsepower is 707 WHP from the Tapp Auto Eagle Talon
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
WTF are you talking about a Tapp Dyno? That means absolutely nothing.. thats one dyno, in one area.. that holds absolutely no relevance whatsoever.. I saw a video of a 1800 something RWHP Supra on the Dyno, and your trying to say the highest mustang was 910? That statement holds no relevance whatsoever
And incase you havent realized yet, a first gen mazda protege *weighin in around 2200 pounds or so, with a GTX motor swap ( 165 HP 1.8L I4 ) Can run 13's on the stock swapped motor.
And incase you havent realized yet, a first gen mazda protege *weighin in around 2200 pounds or so, with a GTX motor swap ( 165 HP 1.8L I4 ) Can run 13's on the stock swapped motor.
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
ORIGINAL: Joe99es
WTF are you talking about a Tapp Dyno? That means absolutely nothing.. thats one dyno, in one area.. that holds absolutely no relevance whatsoever.. I saw a video of a 1800 something RWHP Supra on the Dyno, and your trying to say the highest mustang was 910? That statement holds no relevance whatsoever
And incase you havent realized yet, a first gen mazda protege *weighin in around 2200 pounds or so, with a GTX motor swap ( 165 HP 1.8L I4 ) Can run 13's on the stock swapped motor.
WTF are you talking about a Tapp Dyno? That means absolutely nothing.. thats one dyno, in one area.. that holds absolutely no relevance whatsoever.. I saw a video of a 1800 something RWHP Supra on the Dyno, and your trying to say the highest mustang was 910? That statement holds no relevance whatsoever
And incase you havent realized yet, a first gen mazda protege *weighin in around 2200 pounds or so, with a GTX motor swap ( 165 HP 1.8L I4 ) Can run 13's on the stock swapped motor.
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
And another thing, in 50,000 miles all those modded 4 banger engines will be soda cans and the v-8's will still be going strong.
Not to mention they sound like total crap. I have heard lawnmowers that sound better.
Not to mention they sound like total crap. I have heard lawnmowers that sound better.
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Joined: Apr 2005
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
That truck would have blown the doors off of that eclipse from the dig, the only reason that eclipse was still in the camera's view was because of the 4l60E Auto tranny in that silverado...
4cyl's will never catch up to the american v8... Sure you can boost 30lbs. and shoot 150HP shot of nitrous, maybe 1, 2, even 3 times.. But the N/A V8 will always prevail..
Hell, most of our 5.0's have well over 100,000 miles on them, still run 12's and 13's in the 1/4, plus still get an acceptible 17+ MPG...
4cyl's will never catch up to the american v8... Sure you can boost 30lbs. and shoot 150HP shot of nitrous, maybe 1, 2, even 3 times.. But the N/A V8 will always prevail..
Hell, most of our 5.0's have well over 100,000 miles on them, still run 12's and 13's in the 1/4, plus still get an acceptible 17+ MPG...
Now you're trying to bring the relibility arguement into this?? its just as bad as the BS gas mileage arguement that you hate so much. My 92 dsm w/ almost a 140k is still holding up strong even though it sees 24-25 psi frequently on a stock motor. and I'd light it on fire if I ever saw 17 mpg.
Yes, for a drag car rwd v8 has the most choices and is the most popular way to go, but theres definetly other options that can fly. This was never about 4 > 8 in any way, it was just about the fact that It doesn't take 10 grand,nitrous,slicks,and paul walker to make a fast 10-11 sec import thats comfortable on the street.
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
HAHA, yeah a turbo'd 2.3 liter 4 cyl.. How many of them do you see around?? Personally I have never actually seen one, they are very rare, and had a low production rate, because no one wanted a 4cyl because that is not what a sports car should have, because it was not very sporty! Good argument though.. And YES the RWD silverado would have eaten that AWD eclipse off the line.. AWD is not ideal for the track, and if you think it is, you OBVIOUSLY haven't seen an AWD car with a lot of power try to get off the line, if they make it past the 60ft without letting off the gas because they crawl across the lanes, it's a miracle.. RWD is ideal for drag racing, although maybe not in a full size truck lol..
Personally I think that the people that are argueing the point about the mileage are retarted, and yes reliability means a lot, I know the honda's and toyota's last a helluva long time, but reports of the 5.0L have been quoted over 600,000 miles! I don't care what engine or car it is, that's impressive.
I love the torque of a V8, and I think that people that won't drive a v8 car don't know what it is like.. It can be a 10 second fwd car, and it feels like my moms camry accelerating onto the freeway.. I think that's BORING, it's all about the G's throwing you into your seat with a launch from 4K.. That's just me...
Personally I think that the people that are argueing the point about the mileage are retarted, and yes reliability means a lot, I know the honda's and toyota's last a helluva long time, but reports of the 5.0L have been quoted over 600,000 miles! I don't care what engine or car it is, that's impressive.
I love the torque of a V8, and I think that people that won't drive a v8 car don't know what it is like.. It can be a 10 second fwd car, and it feels like my moms camry accelerating onto the freeway.. I think that's BORING, it's all about the G's throwing you into your seat with a launch from 4K.. That's just me...
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
So, buy a car for 3 or 4 grand, rip out the motor, spend 3 grand on getting a new one, spend another 5 grand on the turbo setup, forge the bottom end, then pay to have it tuned, make sure the suspension is up to snuff, replace the stock gearbox......... Seems to be adding up doesn't it? And your still in a car that can't run anything but D/Rs at the best (and fairly small width ones) and still be able to TURN.
Did any of you guys talking **** about imports acutally SEE that cheesefrog vid vs the viper?? He was spinning like mad from like 50 MPH thru 3 or so gears. It's got no power at all, then BAM everything comes on all at once, and your leaving a smoke trail.
GET OVER IT. You are never going to convice anyone that 4cyl are better or cheaper to modify, because it simply isn't true. Any setup you name, any price you talk about, I can tell you a theoritcal setup that is cheaper and more streetable in a v8, because it is EASIER to make a car with alot of displacement go faster. Why do you think that LS1s are perform so much better stock than a 4.6L GT? Why do you think that they increase power so much more with even simple mods? Displacement.
ORIGINAL: Joe99es
Power to weight ratio fellas.. what do your mustangs weigh? 3400 pounds or something? a late model CRX weighs in at 1800 - 1900 pounds... do a motor swap from a LS Vtec and turbo it.... your smokin, not to mention if you take out the back seats and alot of other little goodies you dont need to make it even lighter then it already is
Power to weight ratio fellas.. what do your mustangs weigh? 3400 pounds or something? a late model CRX weighs in at 1800 - 1900 pounds... do a motor swap from a LS Vtec and turbo it.... your smokin, not to mention if you take out the back seats and alot of other little goodies you dont need to make it even lighter then it already is
Did any of you guys talking **** about imports acutally SEE that cheesefrog vid vs the viper?? He was spinning like mad from like 50 MPH thru 3 or so gears. It's got no power at all, then BAM everything comes on all at once, and your leaving a smoke trail.
GET OVER IT. You are never going to convice anyone that 4cyl are better or cheaper to modify, because it simply isn't true. Any setup you name, any price you talk about, I can tell you a theoritcal setup that is cheaper and more streetable in a v8, because it is EASIER to make a car with alot of displacement go faster. Why do you think that LS1s are perform so much better stock than a 4.6L GT? Why do you think that they increase power so much more with even simple mods? Displacement.