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Old May 31, 2007 | 04:25 PM
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What is so great about Koni's? I have been working on performance cars for over 25 years and IMHO Koni's are a mediocre shock at a high price. In particular the Koni struts never seem to last more than 30,000 miles. The single shocks, like what you would put on the rear, are fine. Bilstein, Tockico,and KYB are better. I used to have nothing but trouble with Tockico but I guess times have changed.

LOL! What is so great about Konis? Just about everything for high-performance or racing applications compared to their competition but mainly their racing service departmentand good support for getting them rebuilt and/or revalved and recharged. For production based sports and race cars there is no better damper available at these very cheap prices. Koni Sports are adjustable with reasonably well selected damping curves, very durable, reliable and very easy to get repaired and/or revalved forracing or high-performanceapplications. I've used much better dampers from Penske, Motonand their like for race cars and even a few rich guysproduction based "street cars"but they cost somewhere between10 and 15timeswhatoff the shelf Koni Sports do and for most performance applications Koni Sports or FIA, Ralleyor Racing dampersare the more practical and cost effective damper choice in practice. SurePenske and Moton damper systems are very adjustable with 1-4 even 6-way adjustability not to mention gas pressure tuning of the dampers. But the truth is that most folks can't even manage to get thecorner weights set on their coilover suspended cars, all they want are "looks" not real performance. Personally I don't get it, I always suggest using the appropriate parts for the application and don't buy into the whole racing technology on the street fad. For street cars who needs all that trouble?

Bilstien Sports canalso bevery good but generally speaking you need to send them back to Bilstein to get revalved if the off the shelfvalveing does not suit the car well after modification. Every time we changed one spring out for a higher or lower rate th valving of BilsteinSports needs to be changed or you needed to have acollection of damper available that are valved differently.

Until very recently Tokico and KYB were a joke for racing or performance applications even if you were racing or building a highperformance suspension forproduction Japanesecars. You had no real choice because the Germans and Dutch were not interested in building quality dampers for Japanese production cars except for the limited number of dampersKoni and Bilstein made for us for some Lexus SEMA show cars for a couple of years. We use to laugh at the incredibly high percentage of bad Tokico and KYB struts and dampers that came back to us under warranty because they were just not build for performance applications and wouldblow out their seals in a few days or weekswhen used with high-performance spring rates. Tokico used to justflash chrome their piston shafts (which I suppose was better than KYB who just let them rust, pit and leak),instead of milling, polishing and hard chromingthem as Koni or Bilstien doeswhich made them pretty when new but once the chrome started to flake off the Tokicos were landfill material. KYB piston and strut diameters were sized to be the absolutely the smallest diameters possible that would hold up the car and were and are absolute junk! The both the "adjustable" and non-adjustable KYB and Tokico dampersonly hadabout 5 differentvalve stacks which they used for all applications. All they would dowas make them mechanically fit the cars with no consideration given to the application, they were a joke in the performance industry for over 20 years!

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Old Jun 1, 2007 | 02:58 AM
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F1 Fan could not say it any better.

The only thing that i can add is that koins have a life time warranty in witch, ifthey do go to hell, all you have to do is send them in and they will get rebuilt.

Also the are a true double adjustable shock not a gimmick.

F1 Fan I see you have the tokico's I was wonder how you like them.
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