Axle Centering effect on handling
#1
Axle Centering effect on handling
Well it finally got around 60 degrees here so I thought I would go out through my car into a couple of on ramps.
When I turn hard left my car feels like thedrivers siderear is trying to lift up and the steering gets a little lightfor a second until I peddle the throttle . When I try and turn hard right the rear feels flatterand or normal.I toke a quick measurementon how my rear axle is centered using the tire to fender technique and I am off 3/4 inch more away from the tire on the drivers side then on the passenger side.Will axle centering help me correct this feeling I get when turning hard left?
LCA's pointing down towards the front
Roush lowering springs all around
Koni Yellow'sall set to 180*
UMI adjustable panhard baron my to do list to install
Stock 17" tires at 32 psi cold
One other question, does it make sense to run different rebound (Koni adjustment) on the front versus the rear since I added more weight to the front on Kenne Bell install?
Appreciate any feedback and or suggestions. Learned quite a bit from this forum
When I turn hard left my car feels like thedrivers siderear is trying to lift up and the steering gets a little lightfor a second until I peddle the throttle . When I try and turn hard right the rear feels flatterand or normal.I toke a quick measurementon how my rear axle is centered using the tire to fender technique and I am off 3/4 inch more away from the tire on the drivers side then on the passenger side.Will axle centering help me correct this feeling I get when turning hard left?
LCA's pointing down towards the front
Roush lowering springs all around
Koni Yellow'sall set to 180*
UMI adjustable panhard baron my to do list to install
Stock 17" tires at 32 psi cold
One other question, does it make sense to run different rebound (Koni adjustment) on the front versus the rear since I added more weight to the front on Kenne Bell install?
Appreciate any feedback and or suggestions. Learned quite a bit from this forum
#2
RE: Axle Centering effect on handling
Yes. Having your rear now off center at your new ride height (courtesy of the stock PH bar) is definitely causing your rear to be squirrely. Put on that adjustable ASAP
I run the same adjustment on my Konis front and rear even with the S/C.
I run the same adjustment on my Konis front and rear even with the S/C.
#4
RE: Axle Centering effect on handling
ORIGINAL: Stoenr
I would think you would want to get those LCA's level again. But lets wait for our forum professionals to reply.
I would think you would want to get those LCA's level again. But lets wait for our forum professionals to reply.
#5
RE: Axle Centering effect on handling
ORIGINAL: ziperhead
Well it finally got around 60 degrees here so I thought I would go out through my car into a couple of on ramps.
When I turn hard left my car feels like thedrivers siderear is trying to lift up and the steering gets a little lightfor a second until I peddle the throttle . When I try and turn hard right the rear feels flatterand or normal.I toke a quick measurementon how my rear axle is centered using the tire to fender technique and I am off 3/4 inch more away from the tire on the drivers side then on the passenger side.Will axle centering help me correct this feeling I get when turning hard left?
LCA's pointing down towards the front
Roush lowering springs all around
Koni Yellow'sall set to 180*
UMI adjustable panhard baron my to do list to install
Stock 17" tires at 32 psi cold
One other question, does it make sense to run different rebound (Koni adjustment) on the front versus the rear since I added more weight to the front on Kenne Bell install?
Appreciate any feedback and or suggestions. Learned quite a bit from this forum
Well it finally got around 60 degrees here so I thought I would go out through my car into a couple of on ramps.
When I turn hard left my car feels like thedrivers siderear is trying to lift up and the steering gets a little lightfor a second until I peddle the throttle . When I try and turn hard right the rear feels flatterand or normal.I toke a quick measurementon how my rear axle is centered using the tire to fender technique and I am off 3/4 inch more away from the tire on the drivers side then on the passenger side.Will axle centering help me correct this feeling I get when turning hard left?
LCA's pointing down towards the front
Roush lowering springs all around
Koni Yellow'sall set to 180*
UMI adjustable panhard baron my to do list to install
Stock 17" tires at 32 psi cold
One other question, does it make sense to run different rebound (Koni adjustment) on the front versus the rear since I added more weight to the front on Kenne Bell install?
Appreciate any feedback and or suggestions. Learned quite a bit from this forum
That is just the jacking effect that all Panhard bar cars have. It's worse at low speeds and tight turns and as you lowerthe rear roll center. Nothing you can do to your Panhard bar setup can change this feeling. If you really want to get rid of that feeling you canachive this by replacing thePanhard bar andbracewith a Watt's link. The jacking effect is one of the reasons I switched to a Saleen PJ Edition Watt's link which solved the jacking problem and also made the car handle so much more consistentlyunder power. I thought my car was working prety well and indeed it did until I drove a Saleen PJ Edition 302 and even with the slightly offdamperand spring rates, stock Panhard bar, LCA's andUCA I could feel the difference in rear end behaviour.
HTH!
#6
RE: Axle Centering effect on handling
ORIGINAL: ziperhead
When I turn hard left my car feels like thedrivers siderear is trying to lift up and the steering gets a little lightfor a second until I peddle the throttle . When I try and turn hard right the rear feels flatterand or normal.
When I turn hard left my car feels like thedrivers siderear is trying to lift up and the steering gets a little lightfor a second until I peddle the throttle . When I try and turn hard right the rear feels flatterand or normal.
I toke a quick measurementon how my rear axle is centered using the tire to fender technique and I am off 3/4 inch more away from the tire on the drivers side then on the passenger side.Will axle centering help me correct this feeling I get when turning hard left?
One other question, does it make sense to run different rebound (Koni adjustment) on the front versus the rear since I added more weight to the front on Kenne Bell install?
You might play with staggered damping in order to affect transient handling, and changes there would be larger than changes made to suit a relatively small weight increase.
Norm
#7
RE: Axle Centering effect on handling
Thanks to all for the feedback. Learning a bunch on this forum. I will install my new adjustable panhard bar and have a four wheel alignment,then start messing with the shock adjustments.
#8
RE: Axle Centering effect on handling
Having the axle off center by so much is a bad thing. That's the problem, not the fact the car has a PHB. The car had a PHB before and was not doing this, that hasn't changed, and fwiw the longer the PHB the less arc is sees through it's range. There are also some really, REALLY fast cars that use PHB's for rear axle location all the way up to Nextel Cup cars (which while we can make fun of, are not slow around a road course especially given the weight and the tiny tires).
I'm sure when you adjust the PHB to center the axle things will be just fine.
I'm sure when you adjust the PHB to center the axle things will be just fine.
#9
RE: Axle Centering effect on handling
ORIGINAL: ziperhead
Thanks to all for the feedback. Learning a bunch on this forum. I will install my new adjustable panhard bar and have a four wheel alignment,then start messing with the shock adjustments.
Thanks to all for the feedback. Learning a bunch on this forum. I will install my new adjustable panhard bar and have a four wheel alignment,then start messing with the shock adjustments.
So what happened?
Cheers!