Me Vs an 05
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I do agree that with a stall and dr's 12 are attainable but not stock with street tires. I run 13.89 with street tires, no 1st gear traction. with some 15" mickey t srag radials I have gone 13.58 @101. I also did not say destroy them. But the ls1's do not win by muck. Not arguing, just defending my new love of ford.
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RE: Me Vs an 05
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aside from the crappy low end power, the 4.6 will pull just as hard in the mid to high rpm range. I did say ----on the street--- the reason being what I just said. From a 30 mph roll stock for stock it will keep up. I have seen a 02 stang with cat back only and dr's run a 13.4. The one on the porcharger site ran 13.6 with cat back and dr's The reason so many ls1 run so well is that they are easy to drive. The power curve and the stock 3.42 rear end makes it very easy at the track.....I had 2 of them. The stang is more finiky. But the 13.4 was driven at the track here It just takes a more talanted driver to run those numbers in the stang
aside from the crappy low end power, the 4.6 will pull just as hard in the mid to high rpm range. I did say ----on the street--- the reason being what I just said. From a 30 mph roll stock for stock it will keep up. I have seen a 02 stang with cat back only and dr's run a 13.4. The one on the porcharger site ran 13.6 with cat back and dr's The reason so many ls1 run so well is that they are easy to drive. The power curve and the stock 3.42 rear end makes it very easy at the track.....I had 2 of them. The stang is more finiky. But the 13.4 was driven at the track here It just takes a more talanted driver to run those numbers in the stang
There is no way that a 99-04 GT will have ANYTHING for a LS1 powered F-body stock for stock. Even a auto vert with the 2.73 gear will simply walk away.
There is also no way a stock PI GT is going to run a 13.4 with a catback and drag radials. Your knocking off over half a second with a set of drag raidals and MAYBE 2-3 more WHP? Even a 13.6 isn't believable.
Here is a video of me when my car was running a full exhaust (lts, midpipe,catback) stage 2 cams, a 3.73 rear gear, all the intake boltons (filter, maf, inlet, t/b, plenum) u/d pulleys and a tune. 280 WHP and 292 RWTQ. This is against my friends 00 LS1 with flowmasters and a K&N panel filter, otherwise bone stock, with a 2.73 rear gear. The car also has T-tops, so bascially its the slowest LS1 car of that year in the coupe version:
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...9c2d2957fe.htm
My car would simply eat a stock 99-04 GT alive at this point, it wasn't even a race. Hell, I could probably have missed a gear and still beat a stock 99-04.
BTW, for reference, a LS1 car puts down between 280 and 300 WHP from what I have seen, with some of the 6spd cars making more like 310. The average 99-04 GT wieghing only a little less puts down around 225 to the tire. You have zero chance of beating one stock for stock if the LS1 driver can drive to save his life.
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A 13.6 was driven . Go to the procharger site and download the run. He also adds a procharger and runs 12.8 with no other mods. As soon as I can dig up my 13.58 time slip I 'll post it. Your car has more potential than you think. I'm not here to argue, just saying what I have done and seen. I have also been to a few driving schools and on the track for several years now. I bracket raced a 10 sec 69 camaro. Sucessfully too. A rookie driver would never run that. Again not trying to argue. Just trying to show what practice can do.
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RE: Me Vs an 05
+100000000...Dude, DR's and catback WILL NOT BEAT AN LS1. PERIOD.
Believe me, I know fast cars. At 16, I drive a 99 GT with simple mods, and theres a Shelby Cobra 10 ft. below me that runs 10's. Stock, or even with some mods, isn't that quick. 2005+ GT's are running the 4.6 with 3v, that puts out 300hp at the engine. I think the rule of thumb is to take off 15% of engine hp, and you get rwhp? If thats true then the stock 05+ GT's have 255rwhp. Not NEARLY enough to beat an LS-1's with 320 engine hp. That calculates to 272 rwhp. You do the math. GT's are fast, but not as fast as you say they are.
Believe me, I know fast cars. At 16, I drive a 99 GT with simple mods, and theres a Shelby Cobra 10 ft. below me that runs 10's. Stock, or even with some mods, isn't that quick. 2005+ GT's are running the 4.6 with 3v, that puts out 300hp at the engine. I think the rule of thumb is to take off 15% of engine hp, and you get rwhp? If thats true then the stock 05+ GT's have 255rwhp. Not NEARLY enough to beat an LS-1's with 320 engine hp. That calculates to 272 rwhp. You do the math. GT's are fast, but not as fast as you say they are.
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No freaking way dude.
There is no way that a 99-04 GT will have ANYTHING for a LS1 powered F-body stock for stock. Even a auto vert with the 2.73 gear will simply walk away.
There is also no way a stock PI GT is going to run a 13.4 with a catback and drag radials. Your knocking off over half a second with a set of drag raidals and MAYBE 2-3 more WHP? Even a 13.6 isn't believable.
Here is a video of me when my car was running a full exhaust (lts, midpipe,catback) stage 2 cams, a 3.73 rear gear, all the intake boltons (filter, maf, inlet, t/b, plenum) u/d pulleys and a tune. 280 WHP and 292 RWTQ. This is against my friends 00 LS1 with flowmasters and a K&N panel filter, otherwise bone stock, with a 2.73 rear gear. The car also has T-tops, so bascially its the slowest LS1 car of that year in the coupe version:
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...9c2d2957fe.htm
My car would simply eat a stock 99-04 GT alive at this point, it wasn't even a race. Hell, I could probably have missed a gear and still beat a stock 99-04.
BTW, for reference, a LS1 car puts down between 280 and 300 WHP from what I have seen, with some of the 6spd cars making more like 310. The average 99-04 GT wieghing only a little less puts down around 225 to the tire. You have zero chance of beating one stock for stock if the LS1 driver can drive to save his life.
ORIGINAL: jkbegnaud
aside from the crappy low end power, the 4.6 will pull just as hard in the mid to high rpm range. I did say ----on the street--- the reason being what I just said. From a 30 mph roll stock for stock it will keep up. I have seen a 02 stang with cat back only and dr's run a 13.4. The one on the porcharger site ran 13.6 with cat back and dr's The reason so many ls1 run so well is that they are easy to drive. The power curve and the stock 3.42 rear end makes it very easy at the track.....I had 2 of them. The stang is more finiky. But the 13.4 was driven at the track here It just takes a more talanted driver to run those numbers in the stang
aside from the crappy low end power, the 4.6 will pull just as hard in the mid to high rpm range. I did say ----on the street--- the reason being what I just said. From a 30 mph roll stock for stock it will keep up. I have seen a 02 stang with cat back only and dr's run a 13.4. The one on the porcharger site ran 13.6 with cat back and dr's The reason so many ls1 run so well is that they are easy to drive. The power curve and the stock 3.42 rear end makes it very easy at the track.....I had 2 of them. The stang is more finiky. But the 13.4 was driven at the track here It just takes a more talanted driver to run those numbers in the stang
There is no way that a 99-04 GT will have ANYTHING for a LS1 powered F-body stock for stock. Even a auto vert with the 2.73 gear will simply walk away.
There is also no way a stock PI GT is going to run a 13.4 with a catback and drag radials. Your knocking off over half a second with a set of drag raidals and MAYBE 2-3 more WHP? Even a 13.6 isn't believable.
Here is a video of me when my car was running a full exhaust (lts, midpipe,catback) stage 2 cams, a 3.73 rear gear, all the intake boltons (filter, maf, inlet, t/b, plenum) u/d pulleys and a tune. 280 WHP and 292 RWTQ. This is against my friends 00 LS1 with flowmasters and a K&N panel filter, otherwise bone stock, with a 2.73 rear gear. The car also has T-tops, so bascially its the slowest LS1 car of that year in the coupe version:
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...9c2d2957fe.htm
My car would simply eat a stock 99-04 GT alive at this point, it wasn't even a race. Hell, I could probably have missed a gear and still beat a stock 99-04.
BTW, for reference, a LS1 car puts down between 280 and 300 WHP from what I have seen, with some of the 6spd cars making more like 310. The average 99-04 GT wieghing only a little less puts down around 225 to the tire. You have zero chance of beating one stock for stock if the LS1 driver can drive to save his life.
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RE: Me Vs an 05
ORIGINAL: jkbegnaud
A 13.6 was driven . Go to the procharger site and download the run. He also adds a procharger and runs 12.8 with no other mods. As soon as I can dig up my 13.58 time slip I 'll post it. Your car has more potential than you think. I'm not here to argue, just saying what I have done and seen. I have also been to a few driving schools and on the track for several years now. I bracket raced a 10 sec 69 camaro. Sucessfully too. A rookie driver would never run that. Again not trying to argue. Just trying to show what practice can do.
A 13.6 was driven . Go to the procharger site and download the run. He also adds a procharger and runs 12.8 with no other mods. As soon as I can dig up my 13.58 time slip I 'll post it. Your car has more potential than you think. I'm not here to argue, just saying what I have done and seen. I have also been to a few driving schools and on the track for several years now. I bracket raced a 10 sec 69 camaro. Sucessfully too. A rookie driver would never run that. Again not trying to argue. Just trying to show what practice can do.
You have absoultly no chance of beating a LS1 car with equal drivers. Its simply fact, not even debateable. Did you watch the above video? I think I am quailfied to say I am an excellent stick driver, and I was driving the car pretty hard (no powershifting though) and unless I hit every single shift he was right on top of me.
This is the slowest possible LS1 car in a coupe of that year. A couple months before that I ran a WS6 6spd (before I had cams and tune, everything else though, 260~ WHP) and I did manage to beat him once, but only because I got a great launch and he did not. From equal launches he put a car and a half on me until I went into forth, at which point he proceeded to run away from me, and I mean run.
There is simply no chance a 99-04 GT can run with a LS1 powered F body stock for stock. There is simply way to much power and torque there to compete.
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I can see that some of the members know what they are talking about and some just read what others post and agree. My 00 camaro had close to 400 rwhp ran low 12's prob could have gone 11's with a better tune. There is no way that your friends car basicall stock could have even come close to it. My 87 grand national had a bit over 300 rwhp and ran 12.2 all day, street tires. I think that there is a bunch of inexperienced drivers with fast cars here that need to learn to drive.
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WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW Why dont you read the post 5 components to a 12 sec car in the 4.6 forum. By that post all of you should be in the 12's
2004gt4.6 should be deep in the 12's and should have beat that camaro---they don't run in the 12's stock
2004gt4.6 should be deep in the 12's and should have beat that camaro---they don't run in the 12's stock