I think my 4.6L is possessed
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RE: I think my 4.6L is possessed
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Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 583
From: Atlanta, Ga
RE: I think my 4.6L is possessed
ORIGINAL: ScottsIre
Here's the deal. I purchased a 2008 GT back in November, 2007. Since that time, the car has remained completely stock, minus a set of Flowmaster 40 Series mufflers. Two weeks ago, I hit the 5000 mile mark and changed the oil (second time) w/ the Royal Purple treament and a K&N filter. Even before the oil change and at around the 5000 mile mark, the throttle response seemed to chang drastically. I assumed it was natural 'break-in' of the motor, plus computer changes to my air/fuel mixture based on my driving style; aggressive, but constantly ***** to the wall. This is even as the temperature in the area is actually getting warmer and by warmer, I mean hot (west Texas).
What has me completely and utterly baffled, is the (street[sm=smiley9.gif]) races I've been involved in and how I've been able to compete with a completely, otherwise, stock car. A month ago.. I'm not sure of the year model, but from a roll, I was able to stay a car length behind a late model Corvette. Two weeks ago, I was able to keep up with a 1997 Camaro SS and even pulled on him near the end. Last night.. and this is the hard one to swallow. Two races, both from a roll with a 2004, Screaming Yellow, Mustang Cobra. The first time, he punched first and I kept about 3/4 to 1/2 car length behind him and the second time; I punched first and he couldn't gain on me(!) What the f**k? Now I'm completely aware of the stock numbers for 2004 cast-iron, supercharge, 32V 4.6L.. mathmatically and technically, this isn't possible. When he pulled up to me at the light, the look on his face was complete disbelief; but mine was even more ridiculous. We just stared at each other with our mouth's open. The only thing I can think of is that it wasn't actually a 2004 Cobra and was a clone instead. However, from the emblems, to the bumper plate, to that unmistakble sound (didn't hear the SC), I can't explain it otherwise. Now he DID have a shaker hood.. which could indicate a 2004 Mach I, that was a Cobra clone, but why go to the trouble to have it painted Screaming Yellow?
As if I needed any further confirmation of possible mental illness, I was proved wrong again just today. From a roll, high in 2nd gear, (he was 3/4 car length back and I punched first) pulled on a 2002 Collector's Edition (another yellow car!) Pontiac Trans Am Firebird.. uh, which I just discovered has a LS1 5.7L V8 churning out 325 horsepower at 350 lb-ft. of torque.
I haven't taken the car to the track yet, as I wanted to wait for my CAI/Intake to come in later this month.. but hell, maybe I should check my times before I put it on. It would be easy to call BS on some of my claims, but I honestly don't know how else to explain them. Unless, I just have a hot engine from the factory! Sorry for the long rant and rave, but I'm just chuffed at the performance results I've been getting and the behavior of the motor after the 5000 mile mark. I'll post E/T's here once I get them. This could all actually be a very coincidental... but if it's not. WHOPPEEEEE!
Here's the deal. I purchased a 2008 GT back in November, 2007. Since that time, the car has remained completely stock, minus a set of Flowmaster 40 Series mufflers. Two weeks ago, I hit the 5000 mile mark and changed the oil (second time) w/ the Royal Purple treament and a K&N filter. Even before the oil change and at around the 5000 mile mark, the throttle response seemed to chang drastically. I assumed it was natural 'break-in' of the motor, plus computer changes to my air/fuel mixture based on my driving style; aggressive, but constantly ***** to the wall. This is even as the temperature in the area is actually getting warmer and by warmer, I mean hot (west Texas).
What has me completely and utterly baffled, is the (street[sm=smiley9.gif]) races I've been involved in and how I've been able to compete with a completely, otherwise, stock car. A month ago.. I'm not sure of the year model, but from a roll, I was able to stay a car length behind a late model Corvette. Two weeks ago, I was able to keep up with a 1997 Camaro SS and even pulled on him near the end. Last night.. and this is the hard one to swallow. Two races, both from a roll with a 2004, Screaming Yellow, Mustang Cobra. The first time, he punched first and I kept about 3/4 to 1/2 car length behind him and the second time; I punched first and he couldn't gain on me(!) What the f**k? Now I'm completely aware of the stock numbers for 2004 cast-iron, supercharge, 32V 4.6L.. mathmatically and technically, this isn't possible. When he pulled up to me at the light, the look on his face was complete disbelief; but mine was even more ridiculous. We just stared at each other with our mouth's open. The only thing I can think of is that it wasn't actually a 2004 Cobra and was a clone instead. However, from the emblems, to the bumper plate, to that unmistakble sound (didn't hear the SC), I can't explain it otherwise. Now he DID have a shaker hood.. which could indicate a 2004 Mach I, that was a Cobra clone, but why go to the trouble to have it painted Screaming Yellow?
As if I needed any further confirmation of possible mental illness, I was proved wrong again just today. From a roll, high in 2nd gear, (he was 3/4 car length back and I punched first) pulled on a 2002 Collector's Edition (another yellow car!) Pontiac Trans Am Firebird.. uh, which I just discovered has a LS1 5.7L V8 churning out 325 horsepower at 350 lb-ft. of torque.
I haven't taken the car to the track yet, as I wanted to wait for my CAI/Intake to come in later this month.. but hell, maybe I should check my times before I put it on. It would be easy to call BS on some of my claims, but I honestly don't know how else to explain them. Unless, I just have a hot engine from the factory! Sorry for the long rant and rave, but I'm just chuffed at the performance results I've been getting and the behavior of the motor after the 5000 mile mark. I'll post E/T's here once I get them. This could all actually be a very coincidental... but if it's not. WHOPPEEEEE!
Just My .02
BTW nice kills!!!!!
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Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,681
From: delray beach, florida
RE: I think my 4.6L is possessed
ORIGINAL: lucki96gt
Just my opinion, but the cobra was a complete clone. More than likely it was a yellow bolt-on gt with shaker hood and cobra body kit. He looked surprised because he spent so much $$ on bolt-on's and exterior mods and he was shocked he lost to a s1979trust me I know). Now for the 97 maro, that is an LT1 not LS1 big difference. The LT1 is rated more correctly. Now the LS1's are great engines but if the driver is crap, mis-shift, shift early, etc. you should rape them. LS1 F-bodies are at our weight, with anywhere between 20-40 more rwhp(stock). And the most important thing of all that I have to say from personal experience is that no one or thing can escape old age! When I first got my S197 a high school buddy wanted to run his LID and weld in's only 01' z28 against me and we were dead even literally. But the kicker was that he had 102,000 miles on the odo. Not bad but still a noticable power loss. Remember those Fbodies can be anywhere from 7 to 11 years old with anywhere from 10 to 200k miles on them, just like they can be anything from completly stock to a Lingenfelter 7.0 twin turbo monster! A run-in will tell you nothing unless you get more information about the opponent, than just what there car looks like.
Just My .02
BTW nice kills!!!!!
ORIGINAL: ScottsIre
Here's the deal. I purchased a 2008 GT back in November, 2007. Since that time, the car has remained completely stock, minus a set of Flowmaster 40 Series mufflers. Two weeks ago, I hit the 5000 mile mark and changed the oil (second time) w/ the Royal Purple treament and a K&N filter. Even before the oil change and at around the 5000 mile mark, the throttle response seemed to chang drastically. I assumed it was natural 'break-in' of the motor, plus computer changes to my air/fuel mixture based on my driving style; aggressive, but constantly ***** to the wall. This is even as the temperature in the area is actually getting warmer and by warmer, I mean hot (west Texas).
What has me completely and utterly baffled, is the (street[sm=smiley9.gif]) races I've been involved in and how I've been able to compete with a completely, otherwise, stock car. A month ago.. I'm not sure of the year model, but from a roll, I was able to stay a car length behind a late model Corvette. Two weeks ago, I was able to keep up with a 1997 Camaro SS and even pulled on him near the end. Last night.. and this is the hard one to swallow. Two races, both from a roll with a 2004, Screaming Yellow, Mustang Cobra. The first time, he punched first and I kept about 3/4 to 1/2 car length behind him and the second time; I punched first and he couldn't gain on me(!) What the f**k? Now I'm completely aware of the stock numbers for 2004 cast-iron, supercharge, 32V 4.6L.. mathmatically and technically, this isn't possible. When he pulled up to me at the light, the look on his face was complete disbelief; but mine was even more ridiculous. We just stared at each other with our mouth's open. The only thing I can think of is that it wasn't actually a 2004 Cobra and was a clone instead. However, from the emblems, to the bumper plate, to that unmistakble sound (didn't hear the SC), I can't explain it otherwise. Now he DID have a shaker hood.. which could indicate a 2004 Mach I, that was a Cobra clone, but why go to the trouble to have it painted Screaming Yellow?
As if I needed any further confirmation of possible mental illness, I was proved wrong again just today. From a roll, high in 2nd gear, (he was 3/4 car length back and I punched first) pulled on a 2002 Collector's Edition (another yellow car!) Pontiac Trans Am Firebird.. uh, which I just discovered has a LS1 5.7L V8 churning out 325 horsepower at 350 lb-ft. of torque.
I haven't taken the car to the track yet, as I wanted to wait for my CAI/Intake to come in later this month.. but hell, maybe I should check my times before I put it on. It would be easy to call BS on some of my claims, but I honestly don't know how else to explain them. Unless, I just have a hot engine from the factory! Sorry for the long rant and rave, but I'm just chuffed at the performance results I've been getting and the behavior of the motor after the 5000 mile mark. I'll post E/T's here once I get them. This could all actually be a very coincidental... but if it's not. WHOPPEEEEE!
Here's the deal. I purchased a 2008 GT back in November, 2007. Since that time, the car has remained completely stock, minus a set of Flowmaster 40 Series mufflers. Two weeks ago, I hit the 5000 mile mark and changed the oil (second time) w/ the Royal Purple treament and a K&N filter. Even before the oil change and at around the 5000 mile mark, the throttle response seemed to chang drastically. I assumed it was natural 'break-in' of the motor, plus computer changes to my air/fuel mixture based on my driving style; aggressive, but constantly ***** to the wall. This is even as the temperature in the area is actually getting warmer and by warmer, I mean hot (west Texas).
What has me completely and utterly baffled, is the (street[sm=smiley9.gif]) races I've been involved in and how I've been able to compete with a completely, otherwise, stock car. A month ago.. I'm not sure of the year model, but from a roll, I was able to stay a car length behind a late model Corvette. Two weeks ago, I was able to keep up with a 1997 Camaro SS and even pulled on him near the end. Last night.. and this is the hard one to swallow. Two races, both from a roll with a 2004, Screaming Yellow, Mustang Cobra. The first time, he punched first and I kept about 3/4 to 1/2 car length behind him and the second time; I punched first and he couldn't gain on me(!) What the f**k? Now I'm completely aware of the stock numbers for 2004 cast-iron, supercharge, 32V 4.6L.. mathmatically and technically, this isn't possible. When he pulled up to me at the light, the look on his face was complete disbelief; but mine was even more ridiculous. We just stared at each other with our mouth's open. The only thing I can think of is that it wasn't actually a 2004 Cobra and was a clone instead. However, from the emblems, to the bumper plate, to that unmistakble sound (didn't hear the SC), I can't explain it otherwise. Now he DID have a shaker hood.. which could indicate a 2004 Mach I, that was a Cobra clone, but why go to the trouble to have it painted Screaming Yellow?
As if I needed any further confirmation of possible mental illness, I was proved wrong again just today. From a roll, high in 2nd gear, (he was 3/4 car length back and I punched first) pulled on a 2002 Collector's Edition (another yellow car!) Pontiac Trans Am Firebird.. uh, which I just discovered has a LS1 5.7L V8 churning out 325 horsepower at 350 lb-ft. of torque.
I haven't taken the car to the track yet, as I wanted to wait for my CAI/Intake to come in later this month.. but hell, maybe I should check my times before I put it on. It would be easy to call BS on some of my claims, but I honestly don't know how else to explain them. Unless, I just have a hot engine from the factory! Sorry for the long rant and rave, but I'm just chuffed at the performance results I've been getting and the behavior of the motor after the 5000 mile mark. I'll post E/T's here once I get them. This could all actually be a very coincidental... but if it's not. WHOPPEEEEE!
Just My .02
BTW nice kills!!!!!
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Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,565
From: NC
RE: I think my 4.6L is possessed
ORIGINAL: lucki96gt
And the most important thing of all that I have to say from personal experience is that no one or thing can escape old age! When I first got my S197 a high school buddy wanted to run his LID and weld in's only 01' z28 against me and we were dead even literally. But the kicker was that he had 102,000 miles on the odo. Not bad but still a noticable power loss.
And the most important thing of all that I have to say from personal experience is that no one or thing can escape old age! When I first got my S197 a high school buddy wanted to run his LID and weld in's only 01' z28 against me and we were dead even literally. But the kicker was that he had 102,000 miles on the odo. Not bad but still a noticable power loss.
I average well over 20K a year so if you want to run a 100K+ Ls1 I will be very happy to show you my taillights.
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Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 335
From: Miam, FL
RE: I think my 4.6L is possessed
Guys, I'm not hiding form anyone. I speak from personal experience when I say I've beat several f-bodies with my S197. Were they LT1 or LS1? Like I said: I'll try and ask the next guy. I don't know the f-body like I know a Stang to be able to determine the year it was made just by looking at it.
Sidewayz: As far as me having to let off the throttle against the 6.0L GTO; well.........I know it happened because I was there. The only reason I even bounced the car was to make the sure the GTOs' driver saw my headlights bouncing in his rear-view mirror as I was riding his *** trying to pass him through traffic. Had the streets been empty, I would have passed him by. This race was done from a light; not a rolling start. He got the jump on me when we launched, but that was it. Unless the dude slapped a 6.0 badge on his 5.7........regardless, he got housed. We lined up again at the next light, and I ended up racing my shadow because he didn't it the gas.
Street races can't be document; it's all hear-say. You gotta be a weird kind of a-hole to come into a forum and lie to a bunch of strangers. Not saying that is impossible, but I'm not that a-hole.
I'd much rather tell you I got beat by that GTO, than I'd like to tell you I got beat by a late 90's turbo Eclipse driven by what seemed to be a 16 year old The car pulled on me like if I had my car in neutral. It happens; there are some fast cars out there.
As far as me being the joke of the Mustang community: I have owned 8 Fox Stangs (3 of which were 10 second cars with a/c and all) and were beautiful specimens. Pardon me for being a MUSTANG man on MustangForums.com Maybe I should post pics of all the Stangs I've built and put together MYSELF (not pay a shop to do the dirty work) and we can compare it to your greatness. For all I know, you could be the Mustang guru......but judging from those comments; I highly doubt it.
As far as doing research and knowing the competition: With the exception of the one article posted here, where a super-star driver got an LS1 to do 12's, EVERY documented run puts stock f-bodies in the 13 second category; the same thing your "dismal" S197 does with a liter less of displacement and a higher curb weight. Maybe if I was a BowTie guy, I would have kept that article in my subconscious until the day I die....but I'm not. As far as my thinking I can't be beat because I just bought an S197: I may be new to the forum, but I'm not new to the game. I already admitted the info I put was wrong; and that a stock LS1 is capable of putting up better numbers than I though. If you want to re-open Pandoras' Box, go right ahead.
Specter, as far as the car looking rough in those pics, yup. We found a solid chassis, stripped it down, and built it from the ground up. We pressure cleaned all those spots behind the fenders and under the car to clean it up before we put it back together for paint. My next fox, I'm gonna go all out with. As soon as I get my DD S197 to where I want it to be, that's gonna be my next focus. I want to know what a 9 second quarter feels like.
Sidewayz: As far as me having to let off the throttle against the 6.0L GTO; well.........I know it happened because I was there. The only reason I even bounced the car was to make the sure the GTOs' driver saw my headlights bouncing in his rear-view mirror as I was riding his *** trying to pass him through traffic. Had the streets been empty, I would have passed him by. This race was done from a light; not a rolling start. He got the jump on me when we launched, but that was it. Unless the dude slapped a 6.0 badge on his 5.7........regardless, he got housed. We lined up again at the next light, and I ended up racing my shadow because he didn't it the gas.
Street races can't be document; it's all hear-say. You gotta be a weird kind of a-hole to come into a forum and lie to a bunch of strangers. Not saying that is impossible, but I'm not that a-hole.
I'd much rather tell you I got beat by that GTO, than I'd like to tell you I got beat by a late 90's turbo Eclipse driven by what seemed to be a 16 year old The car pulled on me like if I had my car in neutral. It happens; there are some fast cars out there.
As far as me being the joke of the Mustang community: I have owned 8 Fox Stangs (3 of which were 10 second cars with a/c and all) and were beautiful specimens. Pardon me for being a MUSTANG man on MustangForums.com Maybe I should post pics of all the Stangs I've built and put together MYSELF (not pay a shop to do the dirty work) and we can compare it to your greatness. For all I know, you could be the Mustang guru......but judging from those comments; I highly doubt it.
As far as doing research and knowing the competition: With the exception of the one article posted here, where a super-star driver got an LS1 to do 12's, EVERY documented run puts stock f-bodies in the 13 second category; the same thing your "dismal" S197 does with a liter less of displacement and a higher curb weight. Maybe if I was a BowTie guy, I would have kept that article in my subconscious until the day I die....but I'm not. As far as my thinking I can't be beat because I just bought an S197: I may be new to the forum, but I'm not new to the game. I already admitted the info I put was wrong; and that a stock LS1 is capable of putting up better numbers than I though. If you want to re-open Pandoras' Box, go right ahead.
Specter, as far as the car looking rough in those pics, yup. We found a solid chassis, stripped it down, and built it from the ground up. We pressure cleaned all those spots behind the fenders and under the car to clean it up before we put it back together for paint. My next fox, I'm gonna go all out with. As soon as I get my DD S197 to where I want it to be, that's gonna be my next focus. I want to know what a 9 second quarter feels like.
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Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 335
From: Miam, FL
RE: I think my 4.6L is possessed
S8ER01Z moosestang pointed out in in this thread (he asked for his post to be removed) that high mileage engines can have worn down piston rings. That would cause an engine to leak compression which would result in some power loss. Not to say any engine over X amount of miles loses power, but it is a strong possibility. Someone who takes care of their car, and changes oil/filter as required will get more life out of the rings. I'm sure you being a gear-head take care of your car, but lots of these older cars that are purchased 2nd or 3rd hand have been ragged on severly and power loss from high mileage is very believable to me.
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Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,565
From: NC
RE: I think my 4.6L is possessed
ORIGINAL: rugedraw
Guys, I'm not hiding form anyone. I speak from personal experience when I say I've beat several f-bodies with my S197. Were they LT1 or LS1? Like I said: I'll try and ask the next guy. I don't know the f-body like I know a Stang to be able to determine the year it was made just by looking at it.
Guys, I'm not hiding form anyone. I speak from personal experience when I say I've beat several f-bodies with my S197. Were they LT1 or LS1? Like I said: I'll try and ask the next guy. I don't know the f-body like I know a Stang to be able to determine the year it was made just by looking at it.
As far as doing research and knowing the competition: With the exception of the one article posted here, where a super-star driver got an LS1 to do 12's, EVERY documented run puts stock f-bodies in the 13 second category; the same thing your "dismal" S197 does with a liter less of displacement and a higher curb weight. Maybe if I was a BowTie guy, I would have kept that article in my subconscious until the day I die....
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Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,565
From: NC
RE: I think my 4.6L is possessed
ORIGINAL: rugedraw
S8ER01Z moosestang pointed out in in this thread (he asked for his post to be removed) that high mileage engines can have worn down piston rings. That would cause an engine to leak compression which would result in some power loss. Not to say any engine over X amount of miles loses power, but it is a strong possibility. Someone who takes care of their car, and changes oil/filter as required will get more life out of the rings. I'm sure you being a gear-head take care of your car, but lots of these older cars that are purchased 2nd or 3rd hand have been ragged on severly and power loss from high mileage is very believable to me.
S8ER01Z moosestang pointed out in in this thread (he asked for his post to be removed) that high mileage engines can have worn down piston rings. That would cause an engine to leak compression which would result in some power loss. Not to say any engine over X amount of miles loses power, but it is a strong possibility. Someone who takes care of their car, and changes oil/filter as required will get more life out of the rings. I'm sure you being a gear-head take care of your car, but lots of these older cars that are purchased 2nd or 3rd hand have been ragged on severly and power loss from high mileage is very believable to me.
Very good point though.