me vs some crotch rockets
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Sounds like a lot of fun Morbid. Now, I've known ya for a while, and I have never really seen you post any BS. But, I am just questions some of the 600CC bikes you raced. I am thinking they were not the best of drivers.
In my Cobra, I've raced some early 2000 Suzuki's and Yamaha's, and from a 40 in 2nd, where my cobra shines, they would walk me and put bus lengths even up to 120+.
I expected the Busa to walk away. But, the 600's to only be a car or so by 120, I'm surprised. Anyhow, good runs man. Glad to hear the GTO is running strong.
In my Cobra, I've raced some early 2000 Suzuki's and Yamaha's, and from a 40 in 2nd, where my cobra shines, they would walk me and put bus lengths even up to 120+.
I expected the Busa to walk away. But, the 600's to only be a car or so by 120, I'm surprised. Anyhow, good runs man. Glad to hear the GTO is running strong.
odds are most bikes you race on the city streets take it easy and won't run with the pro's, just in my opinion...
if a 600CC bike ridden by a 1st or 2nd year rider was to go WOT @ 50MPH odds are he would flip over backwards and land on his head... it takes skill to bang the gears on a bike and it also takes skill to maintain a large amount of throttle without biffing, if you don't have that skill you will end up babying it on account of own personal safety.
I couldn't tell you what year they were due to the fact I'm not upbeat on the little details on them but I know for a fact any and all 600CC japanese sportsbikes are faster than my car.... but you need big ***** accompanied by deadly skills to run them into the numbers posted above by bick
http://www.dragtimes.com/Suzuki-GSX-Timeslip-14365.html
^^^
Last edited by Morbid Intentions; Aug 29, 2008 at 07:45 PM.
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Having a 600, I know how rediculously fast they are (The only car that's beat me to date was some new VW R32 (could've been a gti, but it had center exhaust)... the thing walked away from me like nothing at 120 lol). So anyway, nice kill and I'm happy to hear it was all friendly.
*edit: and it's actually hard to loop a 600 just from cracking open the throttle. As long as you put your weight over the tank, the front won't come more than a foot or so off the ground. I go wide-open in 1st from about 10mph to redline (somewhere around 72mph) without worrying about looping it. And for the record, stock cbr600 f4i's dyno in the mid-90hp range, so it's not much different than a cbr600rr.
*edit: and it's actually hard to loop a 600 just from cracking open the throttle. As long as you put your weight over the tank, the front won't come more than a foot or so off the ground. I go wide-open in 1st from about 10mph to redline (somewhere around 72mph) without worrying about looping it. And for the record, stock cbr600 f4i's dyno in the mid-90hp range, so it's not much different than a cbr600rr.
Last edited by reaper2022; Aug 29, 2008 at 07:43 PM.
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Having a 600, I know how rediculously fast they are (The only car that's beat me to date was some new VW R32 (could've been a gti, but it had center exhaust)... the thing walked away from me like nothing at 120 lol). So anyway, nice kill and I'm happy to hear it was all friendly.
*edit: and it's actually hard to loop a 600 just from cracking open the throttle. As long as you put your weight over the tank, the front won't come more than a foot or so off the ground. I go wide-open in 1st from about 10mph to redline (somewhere around 72mph) without worrying about looping it. And for the record, stock cbr600 f4i's dyno in the mid-90hp range, so it's not much different than a cbr600rr.
*edit: and it's actually hard to loop a 600 just from cracking open the throttle. As long as you put your weight over the tank, the front won't come more than a foot or so off the ground. I go wide-open in 1st from about 10mph to redline (somewhere around 72mph) without worrying about looping it. And for the record, stock cbr600 f4i's dyno in the mid-90hp range, so it's not much different than a cbr600rr.
it looks really light and easy to handle... that's the only reason I decided on this one
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Sort of... as long as you keep a good head on your shoulders and keep her below the powerband you should be good, but I can't stress this enough, take the MSF course as soon as you get your M-class permit!!! In most areas, it should be free, and you'll learn a ton as a new rider, not to mention you can get your M-class endorsement through the program pretty easily. I started out on my f4i, and I know a ton of people that started on similar 600's, so it's possible. But I've also noticed most of the catastrophic bike crashes involve new riders and 600cc+ bikes, so keep that in mind.
Remember, though... most 600's are street-legal race bikes; they aren't forgiving when you accidently crack open the throttle (razor sharp throttle response), they aren't forgiving when you make a mistake in a turn, and the brakes are very, very good. Basically, what I'm trying to say is be very careful on whatever bike you start out on. I spent a few hours getting the basics down in a parking lot, and spent the next two months under 7k rpm. It took me a full year to actually start diving into turns like I do now (and I'm still just an average rider).
Also, keep in mind that the Kawi ninja 250r is a great starter bike, and it holds its resale value extremely well. I actually know someone that turned a profit selling a used 250. Riding a 250 for a year to build up riding skills and then moving on to a bigger, more powerful bike is definitely an option to keep in mind (vanity is the biggest reason I started on a 600... at the time, the 250r's looked like s**t. The '08s are sexy as hell though)
*edit: also, when you do get a bike, make sure you practice your emergency maneuvers (swerving, quick stops, etc) until they become reflex. It'll save your a** when some bimbo in a bmw, chatting on her cell phone, pulls out in front of you.
*'nother edit: remember to gear up!!! Plan on spending close to $1,000 on gear alone. You definitely want to have a good helmet (full-face is best), riding gloves, and a riding jacket (leather is best, but there are some decent textile jackets, too). Check out New Enough... they sell new gear below retail. I just ordered all new gear from them a few months back and couldn't have been happier (well, I guess I could have... Fedex doesn't deliver at my house until 7:00 PM... UPS always manages to get there at 10:00 AM. Figure that one out lol.)
Remember, though... most 600's are street-legal race bikes; they aren't forgiving when you accidently crack open the throttle (razor sharp throttle response), they aren't forgiving when you make a mistake in a turn, and the brakes are very, very good. Basically, what I'm trying to say is be very careful on whatever bike you start out on. I spent a few hours getting the basics down in a parking lot, and spent the next two months under 7k rpm. It took me a full year to actually start diving into turns like I do now (and I'm still just an average rider).
Also, keep in mind that the Kawi ninja 250r is a great starter bike, and it holds its resale value extremely well. I actually know someone that turned a profit selling a used 250. Riding a 250 for a year to build up riding skills and then moving on to a bigger, more powerful bike is definitely an option to keep in mind (vanity is the biggest reason I started on a 600... at the time, the 250r's looked like s**t. The '08s are sexy as hell though)
*edit: also, when you do get a bike, make sure you practice your emergency maneuvers (swerving, quick stops, etc) until they become reflex. It'll save your a** when some bimbo in a bmw, chatting on her cell phone, pulls out in front of you.
*'nother edit: remember to gear up!!! Plan on spending close to $1,000 on gear alone. You definitely want to have a good helmet (full-face is best), riding gloves, and a riding jacket (leather is best, but there are some decent textile jackets, too). Check out New Enough... they sell new gear below retail. I just ordered all new gear from them a few months back and couldn't have been happier (well, I guess I could have... Fedex doesn't deliver at my house until 7:00 PM... UPS always manages to get there at 10:00 AM. Figure that one out lol.)
Last edited by reaper2022; Aug 29, 2008 at 09:04 PM.
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Having a 600, I know how rediculously fast they are (The only car that's beat me to date was some new VW R32 (could've been a gti, but it had center exhaust)... the thing walked away from me like nothing at 120 lol). So anyway, nice kill and I'm happy to hear it was all friendly.
*edit: and it's actually hard to loop a 600 just from cracking open the throttle. As long as you put your weight over the tank, the front won't come more than a foot or so off the ground. I go wide-open in 1st from about 10mph to redline (somewhere around 72mph) without worrying about looping it. And for the record, stock cbr600 f4i's dyno in the mid-90hp range, so it's not much different than a cbr600rr.
*edit: and it's actually hard to loop a 600 just from cracking open the throttle. As long as you put your weight over the tank, the front won't come more than a foot or so off the ground. I go wide-open in 1st from about 10mph to redline (somewhere around 72mph) without worrying about looping it. And for the record, stock cbr600 f4i's dyno in the mid-90hp range, so it's not much different than a cbr600rr.
On my race tune I was barely edging them out, and that was pushing alot of power.
and +10000000 on your other post, gear up, and be safe. I won't even take my bike out if I don't have any of my gear on.
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the YZF6 bike is pretty heavy, looks light, but its a very heavy bike.
if you want a true beginner bike that is "light" go with the kawasaki 250R
the new one's are being marked up, but the old ones are cheap as dirt, just dont look as good.
i run a 12.3 @112mph here on my bike, at 5900ft elevation, if i was at sealevel id be deep into the 11's
ive not had one single car walk me, ever, then again, the only cars that try and mess with me seem to be worth less then my bike
you walking away from a 600cc isent surprizing.
try that same race from a dig, or even 10-20mph, and it would be a different story.
600ccs are quick as hell off the line, but once they hit 60mph they slow down a little.
if you where to race from a 70-80mph start, youd prob pull them the hole way.
good luck, and be safe.
if you want a true beginner bike that is "light" go with the kawasaki 250R
the new one's are being marked up, but the old ones are cheap as dirt, just dont look as good.
i run a 12.3 @112mph here on my bike, at 5900ft elevation, if i was at sealevel id be deep into the 11's
ive not had one single car walk me, ever, then again, the only cars that try and mess with me seem to be worth less then my bike
you walking away from a 600cc isent surprizing.
try that same race from a dig, or even 10-20mph, and it would be a different story.
600ccs are quick as hell off the line, but once they hit 60mph they slow down a little.
if you where to race from a 70-80mph start, youd prob pull them the hole way.
good luck, and be safe.
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well, I've been running into alot of middle classed CC yamahonda go fast bikes on the highway which I walk away from pretty steadily just playing around (on the highway anyways)... but today I ran into some cool guys that actually slowed down, downshifted and waited for me to honk it out
one was a busa (looked to be a crazy MF'er, had a red mohawk on his helmet), the other two were 600's... a honda and a suzuki
we went from a 50MPH roll and the busa was off lol.... the busa had about 7-8 lengths by 100MPH and just kept pulling up to 120MPH where we let off
but suprisingly enough starting in second @ 50MPH the 600CC bikes only put about 1/1/2-2 cars on me.... once I hit third I stopped the pull and started to inch... they had a car by 120MPH
after the racing I caught up to the busa and gave a thumbs up to all of them and mouthed "nice bike" and the busa guy replied with a thumbs up and the two 600's nodded and gave me the salute... they turned off the road a little ways up and I threw a final wave which they returned.... if only all racing could happen this way, no BS clear cut friendlyness
one was a busa (looked to be a crazy MF'er, had a red mohawk on his helmet), the other two were 600's... a honda and a suzuki
we went from a 50MPH roll and the busa was off lol.... the busa had about 7-8 lengths by 100MPH and just kept pulling up to 120MPH where we let off
but suprisingly enough starting in second @ 50MPH the 600CC bikes only put about 1/1/2-2 cars on me.... once I hit third I stopped the pull and started to inch... they had a car by 120MPH
after the racing I caught up to the busa and gave a thumbs up to all of them and mouthed "nice bike" and the busa guy replied with a thumbs up and the two 600's nodded and gave me the salute... they turned off the road a little ways up and I threw a final wave which they returned.... if only all racing could happen this way, no BS clear cut friendlyness
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People scared me into buying a 600 as a first bike, which in my opinion was pointless. Ive ridden many 1000s and yes they are faster, but the 600 feels equally as dangerous.
Also, it depends on what you will be using the bike for. See what would suit you but dont be afraid of the 1000.
And also, you wont roll over a 600 from pinning the throttle. I had changed the sprocket on mine for some more low end torque (I have a 2006 R6) and at most it would make the wheel hover like 6-8 inches for a brief moment. The sprocket made it easier to balance wheelies though.
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Nice runs...my buddy is afraid to run me from a high speed roll with his GSXR for the very reasons listed here... he is far from a pro rider and knows he has a hard time controlling the thing. It's far too easy for me to go all out than it is for him (even though he should have no problem spanking me BAD I try to keep that on the downlow..haha).
I ran a 600 a few years back in my bolt on LT1 and almost beat the guy... he was trying to prove how superior his bike was by racing me in a wheelie.... He was smiling like a jackass until I started pulling on him...then his smirk went away and he put the nose down to quickly finish me off. It was funny though... he thought there was NO way for him to lose against me. haha
I ran a 600 a few years back in my bolt on LT1 and almost beat the guy... he was trying to prove how superior his bike was by racing me in a wheelie.... He was smiling like a jackass until I started pulling on him...then his smirk went away and he put the nose down to quickly finish me off. It was funny though... he thought there was NO way for him to lose against me. haha
