I respectfully disagree with Ryan on this one. I run Hawks HPS Street peformance pads and I truly love them. There is a lot of brake dust, but just the peddle feel and firmness of the brakes is worth it. I don't race, but I just like the feel of smooth, controlled, strong braking performance. Also, from my experience, OEMs have gone bad quick in the front, usually around 15k miles. I have over 15k miles on my haws in there is still plenty of pad left.

 

I've put 40k miles on my front Motorcraft pads and have yet to even use them up half way yet. I've run the EBC's and Hawk's and just never saw them to be worth it. It may be personal preference per driving styles as well, as there are people firmly planted on both sides of the fence.

 

well, he got raped. hence your avatar. can you give me the motocraft brake pad link? i need new rotors too, do cross drilled and plain ones do the same thing but the cross drilled are more cosmestic? if so then i do want cross drilled even though they are slightly slightly a bit more. but i can only find like the rear in brembo?

 

I get my pads at Ford, I'd recommend slotted or drilled rotors, they will help prevent brake fade. I have both slotted and drilled with 13" front and rears, and I did both for cosmetic reasons. My new rears are actually dimpled instead of drilled.

 

you mean you get yours at your dealer? will any kind of ceramic go, i read the rest of this thread but i trust you so are they on the internet or anything?

pads:
http://brakeperformance.com/site/bra...0408&ad=google
rotors:
http://brakeperformance.com/site/bra...0408&ad=google
the first two, the cross drilled black ones. will that setup be fine? or should i go with the brembo ones on americanmuscle? but the black is a check plus cause im niggin out my car right. are those 12" or what? 13s oviously better cause its bigger, but it looks better too i bet, hit me up with a picture of yours
will those work? cause infact i need new brakes bad.

 

I wouldn't buy anything from that site, use one of the forum sponsors. Spend the extra $20 to get something that you know won't fail

 

Ryan my man, I have to say it but youre wrong, I do brake design at EBC for a living day in day out and have done for 30 years and there is not a compound in our range that requires warm up to be at LEAST as good as OEM at first pedal application. Would you like a free set for your car, just ask here please.

YES they get better in most cases under heat, we design them that way but its 9.00 am here in the UK and I have just come back from a 200 mile drive on a cool damp morning testing our latest Red Ceramic pads and there is no ussue with cool braking.

We also have here in Europe the toughest test on brakes anywhere called ECE R90 in which cold braking is a mandatory part of the test, if we were no good and required warm up we wouldnt pass this test and would be banned from selling products.

Your ideas may have been sound 5-10 years ago but noone would dare sell a street pad that required warm up these days especially in Europe.

I know your not in Europe but the USA would do well to observe some of the work we have done on their pad choices, just this week I had an e mail from a guy asking what the letter mean on the pack of the pad, said he had awful brakes on a Mercedes ML (I Know who gives a xxxx about a Mercedes) and he wanted to know why the original pads had a G grade marked on the rear and he was sold an F grade by the chain store. Its like a tire rating, the higher the letter the better the brake and a lot of the pads being sold in the USA are NOT correct for the applications,suprised people get away with it.

 

Andy in all honesty it has been about 10 years since I have run either EBC or Hawk or their equivalent on my cars, and it is my opinion based off of those experiences that lead me to my current conclusions. I will not be close minded about the advancement in brake pad technology, and if you are in fact a reliable source, which I don’t doubt, then I will more than gladly bite my tongue until I can see the differences in real world use.

I would be more than willing to accept your challenge, by installing a set of whatever pads EBC would recommend for my vehicle in accordance with my driving style and compare them directly with a brand new set of my current preferred pad. I'm willing to try out a product in order to give out the best possible information. Tomorrow I’m installing stainless steel brake hoses along with brand new rotors, and flushing out all the garbage factory fluid for a true performance fluid, ATE TYP 200 Racing Brake Fluid, which I'm sure you all across the pond are familiar with. Also I will be upgrading the front suspension and steering so that alignment is as accurate as possible, which as we all know is a big key factor to better braking.

Also as many others on the site can attest to, I am very much safety minded, considering I am a Safety Consultant, and brakes are usually one my first recommendations for upgrades when adding a lot of power. What good is power and speed if you can’t control it?

So basically, I accept your challenge, with an open mind, and am more than willing to do both a write up for proper install, and to the best of my ability, a proper write-up to show the results of said challenge.

I will respectfully remain “on the fence” for now

 

Who got raped? Ryan just said he hasn't tried those pads out in years and is now going to revisit them with an open mind...silly n00b.

 

forums arent to shut people down. yes i said andy got raped, but he knows more than me and i admit that. im looking at getting new brakes so thats why i am reading this thread from ryan and andy. because i ask questions doesnt meant i am a "n00b." there are plenty of things i know and plenty i dont. you have like 54 more posts, im such a "n00b" then right.