"He who knows, and knows that he knows, is wise............follow him

He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is ignorant...........teach him.

He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep...........wake him.

He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool..........stay away from him"

eaglecatcher.........go buy you a rustbucket 300ZX (cuz that's all you'll be able to afford) and stop coming in here whining. If you can't afford one, then go buy you an old Accord or Civic, since we all obviously see what your little rant is meant to imply. I've beaten more than my share of overmatched cars of similar years in my 98 3.8.........so if you think your car is that slow, maybe you're just a sh**ty driver.

 

ok, yeah sure, like I would try and put diesel in my mustang. even my 8 year old brother knows not to do that.

I've driven a 300ZX, a jaguar s-type 4.2L V8, a jaguar X-type, and a Saab 9-5 2.3T I4, . The Z we were test driving, the jaguar s type is my moms car (x type was a rental), and the saab is what my dad is considering buying. I've driven cars with twice the horsepower mine has. A fast car is all relative. What I want my car to be, fast if you want to say it like that, is to get to 60 in less than 9 seconds, and have a 1/4 mile in the 16's, and be able to turn a corner when I tell it to. I realize a mustang can be made to do this, with money of course.

I've gotten a few points from people on here (this thread). Whether I acknowledged them or not, I have found out a few things. There have also been people who decided I did not want to start a war, I just simply wanted to know why there were other cars out there that have smaller engines, yet are faster, get better mileage, and handle better. I gave a few examples, and some took this as a war against the mustang, which it wasn't intended to be. I said a few over the top things, a little harsh to say directly to the mustang community, but I just wanted to know why it seems the mustang is so poorly engineered compared to other cars. I got several helpful responses, and some not so helpful that just wanted to start flaming.

I was not planning on dumping 10k into my car and makin it a full on race car or anythign liek that. I just was wondering a while back what it would take to get a sixxer to 400hp and be able to put it down without shattering to pieces. I figured I might decide to keep the car, and do a few mods every once in a while, to gradually build up power, even if I decided not to go to 400hp, which is a heck of a lot for the street anyway. I was certainly not planning on making a car for the strip. I'm not a drag racing fan, but thats beside the point. I was considering what I could do to my mustang for the price of buying another car, whether it be a GT, a Z, a bike, or a jetta, who knows, I was just getting some input.
ok, just because I'm new to cars and ask some noob questions, doesn't mean I believe myself to be a god. I've asked around to see if there were cheap ways to enhance performance on my car, even the slightest bit. Theres nothing wrong with that. I asked some noob questions like "what can I get for 500 bucks" and I get the answer that says "not a whole lot really" and I"m fine with that. You've got to learn somewhere, and questions like that are a start. I make some stupid statements too, but many of them have fact behind them.

300ZX's are damn good sports cars for being 15 years old, and if they've been abused, they still run strong. The ones that have been well maintained run like no other. There are Z's with over 200k on the original motor. I'd say thats pretty good for a high compression sports car engine that has most likely been run pretty hard.

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Having built as many vehicles as I have, that have actually run 9's and 10's in the 1/4 mile, I know that I am not comfortable hopping into one and taking it full blast down the track. I was given the opportunity this very night to drive a car that runs 9.90 in the 1/4. It is a tube frame vehicle on huge slicks, with more cubic inches than you have merit badges. I told the owner I would drive it, but not wide open and only to the 1/8 mile and coast the rest of the way, and I'll still probably trap 110 at the 1/4. I know better than to get into a car like that and think I can handle it with ZERO experience driving that fast, you obviously don't. I know what is involved in going that fast, and I know the dangers involved if I make an error, you obviously don't. I also am helping to rebuild this vehicle, purely to make it prettier, and I know what kind of work is ahead of me, you obviously wouldn't havea clue. Your parents know that a stock v6 mustang is the most you can handle, you obviously don't.

I have a V6 stang and GT Bullitt. My Bullitt would, by many people, be considered a "fast sportscar" in stock form, yet my V6 will be faster. Not just in 1/4 mile racing but also in SCCA ESP catagory racing. I race my v6 mustang against Cobras, Z28's, Miatas, G35's, 350z's,Vipers, Vette's, M3/5's, pretty much anything out there. I lost my last race to an SRT-10 Viper that is track use only for auto-x. It was a very open track and he got me on the straights, but I caught him in turns, he beat me by 2 seconds in a 55 second course.

So according to your calculations and research, all these cars that cost exponentially more than mine should have beaten the pants off me, but for some reason they didn't. All the drivers are experienced, and handled their cars very well, but mine is just set up very well for it's class, and it didn't cost me 10k to do it. I know that completely obliterates every ounce of reasoning that you thought you had comi

 

since you have a 98 mustang, get underdrive pulleys and a new belt which will bolt on 6-8 rwhp. it's cheap for you guys because you only hvae to change the pulley and not the harmonic balancer.

look here
http://www.v6mustangstuff.com/engine.htm that is $82 for some decent performance gain plus 30-40 for the new belt so for a little over $110 you will get some more power, and a little better gas mileage.

you can get a cai off ebay for like $50 and that will give you better throttle response and a bit more pep.

then you should think about 3.73's and t-lok with a bearing rebuild kit.

for better handling buy this package
http://www.stangsuspension.com/store...?idproduct=275

so for a bit over $500 your car will SIGNIFICANTLY handle better.

quit saying mustangs are poorly engineered compared to other cars. you are comparing a base model very inexpensive V6 mustang to a high end (at the time) sports car. as everyone has pointed out you are not comparing dollars to dollars performance. the mustang is a fun, good looking , reliable sporty car. your car was free you stop whining. so for around 1200 (gears, suspension, cai, udp) your car will be a lot quicker and will handle far better than stock. make those mods then come back and whine if you still aren't happy.

 

I"ll look into that stuff and see. I don't know how much my parents will let me do, but its worth a shot to see. UD pulley will be first thats for sure.

 

Owned a 98 V6, only good thing about bolt ons was the fact that......................well.................... ..aside from maybe netting me about .5 more mpg........................umm..................th ey made my wallet lighter

 

What the hell is a 98 Mustang V6 5MT anyway?

To address the question you claimed to have ask...
You are comparing the top level performance car from one company to an entry level car of another. Apples and oranges. To really be fair, you should be wise enough to compare top car to top car.

If you didn't mean to start a huge arguement, next time try having the tact to ask the RIGHT question instead of ranting like an uneducated fool. (Even though all the way into your last post you still contradict yourself. Suddenly you want a Jetta...and you think your V6 lacks power - haha!)

 

Word to the wise, if you dont want to start a war, choose your words carefully, believe me, been there done that as some of the members have too. Also if you didnt want to start a flame war, then next time done start the fire. Ive been there done that like I said.

Basically if you want a fast car but one that your parents will agree with keep the mustang and slowly save up and build up, You can net some horses here and there without going nitrous or s/c, it wont be the fastest in the world but if you dont want to go forced induction then work around it. If you dont want to deal with the mustang any more (sort of how i felt) sell it and buy a car that suits you. Ive been told 100000000 times by 10000000000 people that your young and there will be plenty cars in your future... I am stubborn on the other hand and "know" what I want. I wanted a baller mustang so i got a V6 kuz it was affordable at the time, but now I find myself able to afford FASTER cars that are deemed "Better" than a V6 98. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder, just keep in mind the durability of the 3.8L and build it up as a garage project not some complete overhaul and i think that youll be satisfied with the outcome of not only the car, but the experienced youve gained the satisfaction in creating something your hands (the reason why im getting a early model carbed camaro, im a hands on kind of guy). Obviously lessoned learned, choose your words carefully and listen to what some of the more useful memebers have to say and learn... Thats what i did even though i didnt get very far with my mustang i still came away with tons of knowledge.

 

enough already

 

Well, just trying to help now that hes taken some things into consideration. No harm there right?

 

nope. i wasn't singling you out, i was directing that towards everyone.