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Old Jul 2, 2007 | 08:33 PM
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I've gone over it a few times with some of our wonderful V8 owners here. Dollar for dollar - if you know what you are doing, the V6 will SMOKE a V8 Mustang in any type of race....1/8, 1/4, auto x, road course etc.....

That doesn't make any sense. They both take similarly to mods. Think about it.

If you take a 2002 V6 with 190 hp and 220 ft/lbs of torque, and spend say $3500 on a 9 psi Procharger, you'll make about 285ish rwhp/torque.

If you take a 2002 GT with 260 hp and 300 ft/lbs of torque, and spend $3500 on a 9 psi ProCharger, you'll make about 350rwhp/torque.

Your arguement doesn't make any sense. I don't know why you think the V6 is sooo much better than the V8.
Old Jul 2, 2007 | 08:39 PM
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i've never argued the fact you can make a v6 fast as all hell, but to say that dollar for dollar it's better is just ignorant. unless you're talking about all out drag builds or something. i was thinking the exact same thing as xemeth.
Old Jul 2, 2007 | 08:45 PM
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I see where he's coming from dollar for dollar wise, since it's really easy to find a v6 dirt cheap, espescially 94-95's with blown motors, and then drop in a stroker 4.3 or something and come out waaay ahead as opposed to getting a GT, but it's an argument that can go around in circles, so it's really rediculous to waste time arguing about it.

I have both a V6 and a GT, and I honestly consider doing bigger things to my six as opposed to my GT out of the fun factor. To me it's more fun to take something that isn't as popular and make it do great things. I'd probably do a stroker in my 6 before my GT even though they cost about the same. But to each his own I guess.

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Old Jul 2, 2007 | 08:49 PM
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i'd probably mod the hell out of my v6 if i still had it too. it's more of a shock for people to get beat by "just a 6er" than it is to get beat by a GT. "You only beat me cause you have a v8!"
Old Jul 2, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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i've never argued the fact you can make a v6 fast as all hell, but to say that dollar for dollar it's better is just ignorant. unless you're talking about all out drag builds or something. i was thinking the exact same thing as xemeth.
Like I said....RIGHT parts.

I can find 94-98 V6 Mustangs all over for $3000 (and that's HIGH end). For$300 you get a Super Coupe bottom end (now you're fully forged, low compression and are running a blower cam all at once). I've got less than $2000 inmy M112blower set up. Spend another $300 on a GT take off 8.8. Now you've spent $5600 hundred. Dyno tune... say $500 average. So that's a grand total of $6100 and you are now making Well over 400 hp/tq to the wheels.

Now, tell me how to do than in your SN95 V8. If you can, I'll give props.

I didn't say take a V6 and a V8 and spend the same to mod them. Dollar for dollar from zero, the V6 wins.
Old Jul 3, 2007 | 03:28 AM
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That's exactly what I've been saying to myself the whole time LilRoush, with the money saved on getting a v6, you could spend to mod it and end up just as fast if not faster than a GT. Although in Xemeth's situation it did make more sense because of the trannie swap to just get a GT. To each his own I guess, was never really looking to start another arguement on here, just curious as to why people felt the way they did about the two cars. I think I'll stick with my v6, since I dont' really have any big plans for it. I think my biggest goal would be to go FI in the next year and try to reach 300hp. And I think that with the money I've saved going the cheap route with the v6, I should be able to reach that.
Old Jul 3, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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i've never argued the fact you can make a v6 fast as all hell, but to say that dollar for dollar it's better is just ignorant. unless you're talking about all out drag builds or something. i was thinking the exact same thing as xemeth.
Like I said....RIGHT parts.

I can find 94-98 V6 Mustangs all over for $3000 (and that's HIGH end). For$300 you get a Super Coupe bottom end (now you're fully forged, low compression and are running a blower cam all at once). I've got less than $2000 inmy M112blower set up. Spend another $300 on a GT take off 8.8. Now you've spent $5600 hundred. Dyno tune... say $500 average. So that's a grand total of $6100 and you are now making Well over 400 hp/tq to the wheels.

Now, tell me how to do than in your SN95 V8. If you can, I'll give props.

I didn't say take a V6 and a V8 and spend the same to mod them. Dollar for dollar from zero, the V6 wins.
so you can provide links to places who sell the aforementioned parts, such as the 300 dollar forged bottom end, the 300 dollar 8.8, and your complete blower setup for 2000? not to mention a shop that will do the bottom end and diff swap for free, since the average joe doesnt have the know how to get an engine out of the car, let alone change the rotating assembly.

i could get a gt35r and a fuel mgmt system from a friend of mine who has stuff laying around for free and i would make at least 400awhp, but that doesnt mean that its free for the average person to do the same thing. my white car is making around 370 to the wheels on 87 octane...running low 12s, and i have less than 5000 in the entire car, but that doesnt mean that anyone can run right out and copy my build for the same price...
Old Jul 3, 2007 | 05:46 PM
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i've never argued the fact you can make a v6 fast as all hell, but to say that dollar for dollar it's better is just ignorant. unless you're talking about all out drag builds or something. i was thinking the exact same thing as xemeth.
Like I said....RIGHT parts.

I can find 94-98 V6 Mustangs all over for $3000 (and that's HIGH end). For$300 you get a Super Coupe bottom end (now you're fully forged, low compression and are running a blower cam all at once). I've got less than $2000 inmy M112blower set up. Spend another $300 on a GT take off 8.8. Now you've spent $5600 hundred. Dyno tune... say $500 average. So that's a grand total of $6100 and you are now making Well over 400 hp/tq to the wheels.

Now, tell me how to do than in your SN95 V8. If you can, I'll give props.

I didn't say take a V6 and a V8 and spend the same to mod them. Dollar for dollar from zero, the V6 wins.
woah, slow down there. I need the details on that. I'd gladly save up 4 grand to drop on my car if that owuld put it over 400rwhp/tq. Could you pm me the details on that, this may be worth looking in to.
Old Jul 3, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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If you can't swap a motor, you shouldn't be trying to build a 400 hp car. Period. You need the knowledge to run something like that....otherwise (in my opinion), you'd just another fool off the street trying to be cool.

A used Thunderbird Super Coupe short block can be found at many junkyards all over the US. You can also watch the SC forums (there are several). There is no need to pull internals or swap rotating assemblies. It's a direct motor swap. The SC motor has a low compression forged set up with a blower specific cam. Unbolt the tranny, unhook the wiring harness and various lines, unbolt the motor from the mounts and lift it up and out.

Finding an 8.8 is as easy as watching both local forums and junk yards. Again, it's a simple swap. If you can turn a wrench, you can swap an axle. Take off the wheels, unhook the rear brakes, unbolt the lower shock mount, unbolt the drive shaft, unbolt the upper/lower control arms.... drop axle out and reverse it to install the new one.

My blower set up is a basic boxed upper intake with an M112 on top. I've picked up several M112's for $250-$300. The boxed upper I've offer to be made fairly cheap. Fuel upgrades are take off "junk" parts from 03/04 Cobras that you can almost get free from a Cobra owner who is upgrading. Again, surf some specific forums (like svtperformance.com or ebay).

ROTM: you say your "white car"....sorry I'm not too familiar with other members cars yet. What year is it? I assume an SN95 since that is what we are comparing? I listed average prices from across the US. I'm sure I could do it cheaper if I looked harder. But that wouldn't make for a fair comparison at all. I guy I'm doing a car for here locally just picked up a SC long block and the M90 blower set up for $300 total. I didn't say everyone could do it like that, but it does happen. it gives the advantage of SC heads to, which run an upgraded valve trains as well. When tossed together with some port work, he'll see close to 380 at the wheels with less than $800 total spent (aside from the car itself).
Old Jul 3, 2007 | 11:01 PM
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their is a sticky over at 3.8 mustang

a new v6 costs x amount
a new gt costs x amount

and that if u take that differance between the two and put it into the v6 the v6 would win so money for money a v6 is faster



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