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Old 12-06-2008, 07:35 PM
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Default couple of questions about head/cam set up

i just want to make sure i know what im doing when i get my heads and cam together.


i talked to some people and i think im going to stick with my original plan of

'66 289 heads 1.94 1.5 valves, studded, hardland 1.6's, and comp xe270 LSA 114. i got lots of feedback about my set up from a few peeps and it sounds like the nicest to my budget and should serve well to my goals. i didnt ask the guy but is the cam im looking at a SADI cam? how do i find out? anyone know without calling the company?


anyways to make sure i do everything correctly so i get the correct pushrod length and ensure my ptv clearance since i was told it'd be close and i might have to degree it but start with what the cam card says and go from there



ok so i install my cam on the dots
drop in a set of intake and exhaust lifters rotate until the exhaust lifter starts to lift
then set up a dial indicator on the intake lifter and zero it out
then crank the motor until i reach max lift and compare to the cam card
if its within specs i then install my head WITH gasket and measure pushrods
order the proper push rods

lay some putty/clay over the piston
then i will install the heads WITHOUT gasket and the new pushrods
hand crank the motor over twice and un-install the head
dissect the clay and measure how thick the clay is at the lowest point.

now what is too close? anyone have a guideline i should go by?

now is what i just described correct? or am i mis-understanding how to properly set my valvetrain? i want to make it right so i can potentially run higher revs. from what has been explained to me if i set everything up correctly and everything matches i should be able to still able to pull up to 6500rpms without it dropping off maybe even higher if my intake performs as it should since its been ported.


i appreciate any input.
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Old 12-06-2008, 07:41 PM
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I'm purty sure you have to use head gaskets when claying it.
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i was told to clay it without gaskets to account for thermal expansion. i could have heard wrong though. if it clears without the gasket it should deff. clear with the gasket....right?
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Originally Posted by FivePointOhh
if it clears without the gasket it should deff. clear with the gasket....right?
Don't know for sure, but you should also use a solid lifter as well when claying becasue the hydraulic one may not be fully expanded (no oil pressure) and will alter the results.

I think MJR has a way to convert an old hyd into a solid one.
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ooo, good tip. i didnt know that. good to know


do you know if that cam selection with the supporting double springs /w hardened rods will collapse the stock lifters or should i be ok?
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Originally Posted by FivePointOhh
ooo, good tip. i didnt know that. good to know


do you know if that cam selection with the supporting double springs /w hardened rods will collapse the stock lifters or should i be ok?
I would have to let the experts chime in on that...

but here is a quote from adder
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you need a solid lifter... yes

but you can make a slid lifter out of a stock hydraulic one.

Do It Yourself Checking Lifter [/align] Need a solid roller lifter to check piston-to-valve clearance on your hydraulic roller cammed Ford 5.0L or 351 Windsor? Make your own out of an old stock lifter. The lifter at left (below) is a disassembled stocker. To turn it into a checking lifter, grind approximately .020 in.(optional) off the main plunger and flip it 180 degrees, then remove and discard the spring (center). Reassemble the components (right) and mark the assembly with a yellow band so it won't get accidentally mixed in with your other lifters.




found herehttp://www.trickflow.com/articles/stroker_1/#
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sweet. ill have to save that. thanks!
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Old 12-06-2008, 08:19 PM
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XE270HR = SADI core camshaft, 986-16 or 987-16 springs, no.... lifters will not "collapse".... HR lifters can take their fare share of spring pressure w/out collapsing even with more aggressive springs than the ones recommended otherwise, something else is snafu.

Need to make 2 HR lifters solid to check for PTV + a used head gasket to get real results. LUK
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from personal experience here...that cam + FMS lifters and RPM head factory spring (110-120 spring) they will push the lifter down. you have to make it solid. its not hard, a vise to hold it helps alot (use a rag around it and dont tighten it too much) and a small flat blade screw driver.

i had total valve float @ 5800 with the above mentioned combo.
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Originally Posted by Joel5.0
Need to make 2 HR lifters solid to check for PTV + a used head gasket to get real results. LUK
I do just what joel mentions I have a few 1011-2 gaskets sitting around just for the cause that are used
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