Hard Water ???
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Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 3,321
From: Westville, IL
RE: Hard Water ???
ORIGINAL: 06GT4RAD
The Meg's 3 Step Deep Crystal System is actually a very good OTC (Over The Counter) product and i used it for years. I now by most of my detail supplies online and have been really happy with the Poorboys lineup. Very easy to use and gives great results. I have heard that the Nanowax is ok but have no experiance with it.
Here is the Sealant i use.
http://www.poorboysworld.com/ex-sealant.htm
Richard
ORIGINAL: bl1nkage
What sealant do you use? I just bought the Meguiars 3 step deep crystal, cleaner-polish-carnuba because it looked really good, but couldnt find a paint sealant that looked half way decent. I was thinking about the Eagle nanowax as a sealant but decided Id wait and see what you thought.
What sealant do you use? I just bought the Meguiars 3 step deep crystal, cleaner-polish-carnuba because it looked really good, but couldnt find a paint sealant that looked half way decent. I was thinking about the Eagle nanowax as a sealant but decided Id wait and see what you thought.
The Meg's 3 Step Deep Crystal System is actually a very good OTC (Over The Counter) product and i used it for years. I now by most of my detail supplies online and have been really happy with the Poorboys lineup. Very easy to use and gives great results. I have heard that the Nanowax is ok but have no experiance with it.
Here is the Sealant i use.
http://www.poorboysworld.com/ex-sealant.htm
Richard
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Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,179
From: Nor Cal
RE: Hard Water ???
ORIGINAL: 6xStang
OK, a few corrections re: the drivel below. Not everyone has eons of time to detail their car every week. If you do, congrats to you. When we do have the time to detail our cars, I assure you that lazy ol' us can get a finish that is as good as the factory paint can ever get. However, those of us that don't have unlimited amounts of time to towel and detail their car (ya know, some of us have jobs and kids and responsibilities), the Mr. Clean kit is a great way to cut down the time needed to make a car look nice, if not perfect. So..ya gotta buy their soap and filters.....what's your point?
So, I know that you "do not want to hear about it" as you intentionally went out of your way to offend us "lazy" people, but when you make moronic comments that attack other people's helpful suggestions, you are gonna hear about it.
OK, a few corrections re: the drivel below. Not everyone has eons of time to detail their car every week. If you do, congrats to you. When we do have the time to detail our cars, I assure you that lazy ol' us can get a finish that is as good as the factory paint can ever get. However, those of us that don't have unlimited amounts of time to towel and detail their car (ya know, some of us have jobs and kids and responsibilities), the Mr. Clean kit is a great way to cut down the time needed to make a car look nice, if not perfect. So..ya gotta buy their soap and filters.....what's your point?
So, I know that you "do not want to hear about it" as you intentionally went out of your way to offend us "lazy" people, but when you make moronic comments that attack other people's helpful suggestions, you are gonna hear about it.
ORIGINAL: 06GT4RAD
Ok I am going to say a few things and i do not not want to hear about it as I am going to offend a few on here. First off the Mr. Clean Wash system is for lazy people that do not want to take the time that is needed to maintain a car and keep it looking it's best. Also you must buy their soap and there filters or it will not work. Again i suggest getting the filter system i posted on page one. You guys spend thousands of dollars on mods and to me detail supplies are simply another mod and you must spend some good money to get the proper cleaning tolls. As for drying Chamois is old school and the new and much better method of drying is a Waffle Weave Microfiber towel. There are no shortcuts to a good looking car it takes hard work and dedication. Next and this is to Larmo i keep seeing you say your using Dial Soap and I am assuming you mean like the dish soap or hand soap. This is one of your major problems along with your water. DO NOT EVER EVER use any soap other than a car specific soap on your car. Household soaps are the worst thing you can do to your paint. At this point you have messed the paint up pretty good but nothing that cannot be fixed with some hard work. My honest suggestion to you is to locate a good detailer and pay him to get your car back in tip top shape and then spend the time and money learning the proper techniques to maintain it from that point on. Again go read up on the site i listed it is a great teaching source.
Richard
Ok I am going to say a few things and i do not not want to hear about it as I am going to offend a few on here. First off the Mr. Clean Wash system is for lazy people that do not want to take the time that is needed to maintain a car and keep it looking it's best. Also you must buy their soap and there filters or it will not work. Again i suggest getting the filter system i posted on page one. You guys spend thousands of dollars on mods and to me detail supplies are simply another mod and you must spend some good money to get the proper cleaning tolls. As for drying Chamois is old school and the new and much better method of drying is a Waffle Weave Microfiber towel. There are no shortcuts to a good looking car it takes hard work and dedication. Next and this is to Larmo i keep seeing you say your using Dial Soap and I am assuming you mean like the dish soap or hand soap. This is one of your major problems along with your water. DO NOT EVER EVER use any soap other than a car specific soap on your car. Household soaps are the worst thing you can do to your paint. At this point you have messed the paint up pretty good but nothing that cannot be fixed with some hard work. My honest suggestion to you is to locate a good detailer and pay him to get your car back in tip top shape and then spend the time and money learning the proper techniques to maintain it from that point on. Again go read up on the site i listed it is a great teaching source.
Richard
I stand by what i said about the Mr./ Clean system it is for someone who has no time and in my opinion to lazy to take the steps needed to keep there car looking it's best and in fact better than condition than the dealership delivered it to you in. It does not take countless hours a single day set aside is all that is really need to give a Show Quality finish to your car.
Lazy may have not been the proper word but if it fits wear it. To purchase it soley for the filter is foolish since you can achive that for less with other items, but to purchase it to make it the sole means of washing your car it is not worth it. And i personally cannot stand it, it does not work anywhere near what the commercials say and it makes people believe that all that is need is to simply hose it on and hose it off and the work is done when that is not the case. I also am not talking about detailing the car every week. A good complete detail should only be needed once every 6 months if the car is maintained properly, and that is what we were talking about. I myself have only washed my car once since buying it and did not even let the dealership wash it before i picked it up. I maintain the car it daily which takes me maybe 5-30 minutes depending on how dirty it is.
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RE: Hard Water ???
I maintain the car it daily which takes me maybe 5-30 minutes depending on how dirty it is
You have proven EVERYTHING that was in question.
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Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,127
From: Los Angeles Ca
RE: Hard Water ???
ORIGINAL: 6xStang
Good for you. I envy you, as you are clearly da man wit da life.
You have proven EVERYTHING that was in question.
I maintain the car it daily which takes me maybe 5-30 minutes depending on how dirty it is
You have proven EVERYTHING that was in question.
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Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,615
From: Texas
RE: Hard Water ???
Peoples, if I didnt use this stuff myself I wouldnt swear by it. Its pricey but their products are incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!! My brother was a distributor for over 10 years and I can tell you there is nothing better in the stores!!!!
http://www.automagic.biz/newproducts.htm
They have something for "EVERY" detail need!!! If they dont got, no one does!!!! Check it!!!
http://www.automagic.biz/newproducts.htm
They have something for "EVERY" detail need!!! If they dont got, no one does!!!! Check it!!!
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Joined: May 2006
Posts: 396
From: Raised in Chicago; living near St. Louis in Troy, IL
RE: Hard Water ???
Larmo, all the details of 06GT4RAD's email are good advice that I also suggest you follow. I also have a black GT and have ZERO water spot problems because I use this same basic method. AND it does NOT cost you much at all. I don't know if the Mr. Clean kit works or not, but I think you'll be fine if you follow these BASIC steps (unless you wash in the sun, in which case, nothing you do will matter much).
For the basic wash:
1) Wash with a good quality soap (I use either Meguiar's Gold Class or NXT -- the NXT claims to prevent water spots, and it DOES), a sheepskin wash mitt, and two buckets (soaped and clean). No hard rubbing during the wash process!!!!! Let the water and soap do the work!
2) Rinse WITHOUT a nozzle -- let it flow straight from the hose and "sheet" off the body.
3) Dry with a waffle weave microfiber in one hand (to sop up most of the water) and another good quality soft DRY microfiber in the other (to get rid of the leftover excess water). Again, NO HARD RUBBING! Let the towels do the work.
4) If you have one, use a shop-vac or leaf blower AFTER drying to blow out all the excess water in the window/body cracks, light covers, door jambs, bumbers, grill, etc......then dry some more with the soft DRY microfiber.
That's it. You're done with the basics!
Then for the extensive wash and detail jobs, follow same steps above but add:
5) Claybar once every 4-6 months or so (depends on how often your car is exposed to the crap we breathe in every day)
6) Polish (if necessary)
7) Wax with a good quality wax (I used Meguiar's NXT and loved it -- mirror-like, wet looking shine that blows me away).
That's it. You really only need a good washmitt, some good soap and some good microfibers to maintain your car nicely, and after that it's just a matter of claying/polishing/waxing periodically. Do it right and you'll achieve your desired results.
OH, I forgot to add.....in between washes, you might want to use a good detailing spray (with a microfiber, of course) every other day or so to maintain that clean look (keeps off the dust, sap, spit, bird crap, etc) until you can wash again.
Black truly is beautiful, but it can get ugly REAL quick if you don't take care in maintaining it well.
Good luck....and send pics when you get the hang of it!
Nick
For the basic wash:
1) Wash with a good quality soap (I use either Meguiar's Gold Class or NXT -- the NXT claims to prevent water spots, and it DOES), a sheepskin wash mitt, and two buckets (soaped and clean). No hard rubbing during the wash process!!!!! Let the water and soap do the work!
2) Rinse WITHOUT a nozzle -- let it flow straight from the hose and "sheet" off the body.
3) Dry with a waffle weave microfiber in one hand (to sop up most of the water) and another good quality soft DRY microfiber in the other (to get rid of the leftover excess water). Again, NO HARD RUBBING! Let the towels do the work.
4) If you have one, use a shop-vac or leaf blower AFTER drying to blow out all the excess water in the window/body cracks, light covers, door jambs, bumbers, grill, etc......then dry some more with the soft DRY microfiber.
That's it. You're done with the basics!
Then for the extensive wash and detail jobs, follow same steps above but add:
5) Claybar once every 4-6 months or so (depends on how often your car is exposed to the crap we breathe in every day)
6) Polish (if necessary)
7) Wax with a good quality wax (I used Meguiar's NXT and loved it -- mirror-like, wet looking shine that blows me away).
That's it. You really only need a good washmitt, some good soap and some good microfibers to maintain your car nicely, and after that it's just a matter of claying/polishing/waxing periodically. Do it right and you'll achieve your desired results.
OH, I forgot to add.....in between washes, you might want to use a good detailing spray (with a microfiber, of course) every other day or so to maintain that clean look (keeps off the dust, sap, spit, bird crap, etc) until you can wash again.
Black truly is beautiful, but it can get ugly REAL quick if you don't take care in maintaining it well.
Good luck....and send pics when you get the hang of it!
Nick
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Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,127
From: Los Angeles Ca
RE: Hard Water ???
ORIGINAL: Silencer06
Larmo, all the details of 06GT4RAD's email are good advice that I also suggest you follow. I also have a black GT and have ZERO water spot problems because I use this same basic method. AND it does NOT cost you much at all. I don't know if the Mr. Clean kit works or not, but I think you'll be fine if you follow these BASIC steps (unless you wash in the sun, in which case, nothing you do will matter much).
For the basic wash:
1) Wash with a good quality soap (I use either Meguiar's Gold Class or NXT -- the NXT claims to prevent water spots, and it DOES), a sheepskin wash mitt, and two buckets (soaped and clean). No hard rubbing during the wash process!!!!! Let the water and soap do the work!
2) Rinse WITHOUT a nozzle -- let it flow straight from the hose and "sheet" off the body.
3) Dry with a waffle weave microfiber in one hand (to sop up most of the water) and another good quality soft DRY microfiber in the other (to get rid of the leftover excess water). Again, NO HARD RUBBING! Let the towels do the work.
4) If you have one, use a shop-vac or leaf blower AFTER drying to blow out all the excess water in the window/body cracks, light covers, door jambs, bumbers, grill, etc......then dry some more with the soft DRY microfiber.
That's it. You're done with the basics!
Then for the extensive wash and detail jobs, follow same steps above but add:
5) Claybar once every 4-6 months or so (depends on how often your car is exposed to the crap we breathe in every day)
6) Polish (if necessary)
7) Wax with a good quality wax (I used Meguiar's NXT and loved it -- mirror-like, wet looking shine that blows me away).
That's it. You really only need a good washmitt, some good soap and some good microfibers to maintain your car nicely, and after that it's just a matter of claying/polishing/waxing periodically. Do it right and you'll achieve your desired results.
OH, I forgot to add.....in between washes, you might want to use a good detailing spray (with a microfiber, of course) every other day or so to maintain that clean look (keeps off the dust, sap, spit, bird crap, etc) until you can wash again.
Black truly is beautiful, but it can get ugly REAL quick if you don't take care in maintaining it well.
Good luck....and send pics when you get the hang of it!
Nick
Larmo, all the details of 06GT4RAD's email are good advice that I also suggest you follow. I also have a black GT and have ZERO water spot problems because I use this same basic method. AND it does NOT cost you much at all. I don't know if the Mr. Clean kit works or not, but I think you'll be fine if you follow these BASIC steps (unless you wash in the sun, in which case, nothing you do will matter much).
For the basic wash:
1) Wash with a good quality soap (I use either Meguiar's Gold Class or NXT -- the NXT claims to prevent water spots, and it DOES), a sheepskin wash mitt, and two buckets (soaped and clean). No hard rubbing during the wash process!!!!! Let the water and soap do the work!
2) Rinse WITHOUT a nozzle -- let it flow straight from the hose and "sheet" off the body.
3) Dry with a waffle weave microfiber in one hand (to sop up most of the water) and another good quality soft DRY microfiber in the other (to get rid of the leftover excess water). Again, NO HARD RUBBING! Let the towels do the work.
4) If you have one, use a shop-vac or leaf blower AFTER drying to blow out all the excess water in the window/body cracks, light covers, door jambs, bumbers, grill, etc......then dry some more with the soft DRY microfiber.
That's it. You're done with the basics!
Then for the extensive wash and detail jobs, follow same steps above but add:
5) Claybar once every 4-6 months or so (depends on how often your car is exposed to the crap we breathe in every day)
6) Polish (if necessary)
7) Wax with a good quality wax (I used Meguiar's NXT and loved it -- mirror-like, wet looking shine that blows me away).
That's it. You really only need a good washmitt, some good soap and some good microfibers to maintain your car nicely, and after that it's just a matter of claying/polishing/waxing periodically. Do it right and you'll achieve your desired results.
OH, I forgot to add.....in between washes, you might want to use a good detailing spray (with a microfiber, of course) every other day or so to maintain that clean look (keeps off the dust, sap, spit, bird crap, etc) until you can wash again.
Black truly is beautiful, but it can get ugly REAL quick if you don't take care in maintaining it well.
Good luck....and send pics when you get the hang of it!
Nick
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RE: Hard Water ???
I didn't bother to read any of these posts, so if I repeat what was already said then I'm sorry. Because I have had these same problems on my black mustang and know exactly how to get them off I figured I'd share what I learned. I got hard water spots on my car and could not get them off with any product I tried from car soap to wax to polish. I told a friend I know who details cars for a living. He hooked me up with a gallon of Fallout Remover (try prowax.com) that car dealerships wash their cars with when they recieve them in off the delivery truck. This product is a mild acid and works great. All I had to do was spray water all over the car, then spray the Fallout Remover all over the car and wipe down like I was using soap. Then I just washed the car with soap to neutralize the acid in the fallout remover. There wasn't a single waterspot left on the car. -Andrew
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Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,127
From: Los Angeles Ca
RE: Hard Water ???
ORIGINAL: Shaguarama
I didn't bother to read any of these posts, so if I repeat what was already said then I'm sorry. Because I have had these same problems on my black mustang and know exactly how to get them off I figured I'd share what I learned. I got hard water spots on my car and could not get them off with any product I tried from car soap to wax to polish. I told a friend I know who details cars for a living. He hooked me up with a gallon of Fallout Remover (try prowax.com) that car dealerships wash their cars with when they recieve them in off the delivery truck. This product is a mild acid and works great. All I had to do was spray water all over the car, then spray the Fallout Remover all over the car and wipe down like I was using soap. Then I just washed the car with soap to neutralize the acid in the fallout remover. There wasn't a single waterspot left on the car. -Andrew
I didn't bother to read any of these posts, so if I repeat what was already said then I'm sorry. Because I have had these same problems on my black mustang and know exactly how to get them off I figured I'd share what I learned. I got hard water spots on my car and could not get them off with any product I tried from car soap to wax to polish. I told a friend I know who details cars for a living. He hooked me up with a gallon of Fallout Remover (try prowax.com) that car dealerships wash their cars with when they recieve them in off the delivery truck. This product is a mild acid and works great. All I had to do was spray water all over the car, then spray the Fallout Remover all over the car and wipe down like I was using soap. Then I just washed the car with soap to neutralize the acid in the fallout remover. There wasn't a single waterspot left on the car. -Andrew
Better late than never...thanks for the great info.
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Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 706
From: Ohio
RE: Hard Water ???
Anyone try one of these.. ??? http://calcarduster.com/autoOriginal...aterblade2.asp
I am kind of scared to try that thing... lol
Rex
I am kind of scared to try that thing... lol
Rex