sandy

+1!!!!!!!!!!! super post!

sw07gt

Exactly horsepower isn't everything. Look at the 300C SRT8 or the Magnum SRT8 both have 425hp but stock vs stock we run right with them.

2k05gt

Thanks all, I was looking for a boost and some information and ideas to combat my GM Freaky Friends, I was running out of steam and as much as I love My Car, I just can't defend the under power over weight comments, there getting old.Sure I can say to them what does GM have under 30K with the same performance, hmm.. Nothing What does Dodge have now??? Sure the Mustang Survived 43years where your presious Camaro ?
Ok there building it again and sure it will have a ton of power, my hope is that the mustang gets a boost in 08-09 and still be around 30K. then I see Ford winning the pony car wars once again, Sometimes I just need a boost, and sometimes I will go outside and just stare at my 05 and say, "Dam thats a Nice looking car" I hear some of you, really I do, our cars got the looks and style for the right price.

I might have messed up the Weight vs HP Calculation, but the point was that Ford tried to lower the weight on the GT, by going with an aluminum hood, lighter weight Jaguar suspension parts, Lincoln LS Frame, all this adds up to lower costsby using already manufactured parts. I just think that the Shelby could have used some more weight saving options on the GT 500, then I think there would be more respect from the Bow Tie crowd.

GM is trying to do the same this with the Holden Zeta Frame, and Holden engines (since it's a GM company) By using this New Frame for the camaro the startup cost will be high but some of this cost can be absourb into the Holden Line which is a top seller in Australia. Sure the GTO was a Bomb in the US,but the Euro freaks still love it because of it's euro style and it's euro handling.

The Dodge Challenger will still be based on the charger frame that = weight for sure, but they are using lighter parts to lower the weight, I miss spoke on the carbon fiberbody panels, it is just the hood in the production model, they are also doing aluminum interior framing like dash and center console, but at least there trying to reduce weight and maintain US safety standards.

I do believe that chevys camaro will be watered down in the production version and heavier "I hope" but one thing for sure is that GM will find a way to screw it up, the F-body camaro had a lot of potential andGM made it butt ugly ,thats why sales slumped and that is one of the reasons they discontinued it.

06gt5spd

I'm not going to get into the who's wrong and who's right debate, but I will say this - I love my mustang and I hope to have it a long time. IMOit's the best performance car for the money I paid.But at the same time I'm savin pennies for a new camaro because I love american made muscle- doesn't matter much to me who builds it! To me it just means that I can trash talk on two different forums. I love that the big three are building the "retro look" cars, theres nothing better in my mind (except the orignal of course)! Thats just my .02!!!!!!!

Dumpweed

Power windows/locks are so cheap now adays, that taking the time to design manual windows/locks would add cost to the car and save little in weight probably. Plus one the production line now, there is one only one option when it comes to windows/locks, and so its an easy install without (less) chance of screwing up.

that being said, i still am the type that would like a lightweight option, but i dont see it happening for a price that fits with the mustang. lightweight vs 5.4L S/C engine who's gonna win out in the hearts and minds of people with the money? even if they performed the same and cost the same, you just can't show off "lightweight" as you can a big honking engine...thats what the 60's were about. NOW i know there were cases of cars in the 60's going on diet i believe (memory fading...to much beer),there will always be an example of something going against whatever someone says in a forum like this i'm sure.

where your going to lighten the car up is by removing all the crap you dont want yourself. hey its a mod not to many really do...haha, put that in your sig "C&L CAI, Tune, lost 400lbs".

off to fill up my gut with food, in turn making my car all that much more heavy.

MBDiagMan

I thought that I read that the Camaro was not going to happen. Anyone else see this information or am I having wild dreams?

2k05gt

Not what I have heard, It's still on Chevrolet site as upcoming car.
http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/

Orion_240

Amen brother!
I saw all those high priced Hemis and Camaros at Barrett-Jackson and kept shaking my head! They just don't have to looks of the Mustang. And no Hemi does today, not even those concept cars like the Camaro or the Challenger, which look identical. So what if it's a little heavy? You should be more concerned about the handling of the car over the power anyway!

MBDiagMan

Weight, or lack thereof, improves handling probably more than it improves acceleration. These would be much more fun to drive if they were at least 300 or 400 pounds lighter. My '85 Mustang GT weighed about 350 pounds less than my '06 and it was a better handling, more nimble car in spite of the fact that it had an inferior suspension.

6xStang

all this talk about what Dodge or GM may or may not have in a couple of model years is kind of funny. If they raise the bar, then EVERYBODY wins. Relax and enjoy the fact that you have the cash to play in this little game, and that we have choices.. I came of age in the late '70's and early '80's, which was fun because there were lots of 60's cars and early '70's cars to play with...but the new cars were total carp.

But, I must disagree with this quote:

"Ford always moves first and GM counters. Every time. "

Have you looked at GM's offerings of late? CTSV, STSV, GTO (400 hp, by the way), Grand Prix, G6 (hardtop convertible and new "GTP"), Trailblazer SS, Suburban (Ford has been struggling to compete with that for years), Saturn Sky, Pontiac Solstice....on an on and on. Where's Ford moving first in these areas?

Now I have no brand loyalty to the general, but Ford lost my brand loyalty years ago due to a stagnant and boring product line. The Mustang is a bright spot on a mostly dull product line, and Ford has been well known to launch a good product and ride it to the ground rather than to continuously improve upon it.

Maybe the shellacking that Ford is taking in the press with the $12.8B loss will wake them up. But...maybe not.

In any event, I'll enjoy my Mustang for now (as long as the #$% battery stops dying), and when the Challengers and Camaros come out in convertible form, if it's time for a change, then so be it. If not, so what.....