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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 09:22 PM
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If you have a Ford Mustang V6 coupe and where hoping to just add the fog lamps later...guess what. You can't. Ford had TWO complete front ends for the GT and the V6 coupe. I purchased the upgrade kit for 395.00 on to find that the grill is 1/2" smaller on the GT then the coupe....and the tabs needed to install the grill are all off an inch or two. IT REALLY SUCKS. Basically you need to buy a whole new front end (the GTs) to install two fog lamps. That means a new grill, the lamps, a new bumper (which will need to be painted), and all the plastic support behind it....Final costs: $2300 for TWO FOG LAMPS. Most of us have been waiting for the switch, which has been on back order for two months...now we find the kit doesn't even fit properly. FORD...What were you thinking? I'm just going to buy a third party 6" Fog lamp and have them installed. Its much CHEAPER and not such a headache. I'll have to modify my grill (have a machine shop cut two holes) and I will have a seperate switch, but from the outside now one will know the better and I saved 1800.00 dollars. Good Luck.
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 09:21 PM
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they were talking about that on another forum and they installed their own fog lamps but some of them were talking about wiring it into the existing headlights no extra switch
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 10:15 PM
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Just bought my 05 V6 coupe, ordered from the aftermarket guy at my ford dealer the grill and fogs to upgrade my V6 to look like a GT. He said it's possible, and fine it's gonna cost me $1000 bucks. Glad I read ur post though, I was lookin to buy the kit elsewhere and do it on my own for cheaper, nah... i'm just gonna let them do it now.
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 11:05 PM
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If i were you i would get a hole saw, cut 2 holes in the middle like the GT's and wire up some fog lamps seperate from the headlights so you can drive around with them without headlights!!

PS> Might be illegal in some states...
Old Feb 11, 2005 | 01:08 AM
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My biggest surprise on my 05 GT ?? You can run the fog lights without the low beams on. Yes, the switch pulls out for fogs, with the parking lights on. My 2001 F350 dually and later my 2003 F150 wouldn't let it happen. The cars look really cool when you run this way. I like the other posters idea of doing your own add on, and running the ligths when every you want!! And, for a lot less $$.
Old Feb 11, 2005 | 02:42 AM
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i bought a mustang gt grill on ebay for $120...went to pep boys and got 7 in lights for $6 each...went to a junkyard to get a wiring harness for my bulbs i bought...while installing i had to cut slits in my bumper to make the grill fit because the gt grill is a little wider....i had to muscle the grill in the clamps...and wala....gt grill setup for under $150..
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:50 AM
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Question? If you guys want your V6 to look like a GT why not just buy a GT.
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 09:36 AM
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I have seen in other threads where some GT owners want to have the grill that doesnt have the fog lights,like the V6 grill. So should we be saying..."if you wanted your GT to look like a V6 why not just buy the V6"????
I do not think its a matter of people wanting their V6 to look like a GT, maybe they just like the styling of the fog lights. The 05 Mustang is a really great looking car no matter what engine is under the hood.
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:11 PM
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I am not trying to advertise, but I need to address this issue. I have seen several people that have tried to jump on the GT Grille swap for the V6 including some Ford dealers. The GT Grille is taller and wider than the V6 as we all now. I have e-mailed the dealerships that I saw advertising this as though it was a direct swap. One did not replay and the other said, "you may need to switch the bumper cover, it is a different part number", end of replay. I e-mailed the guy and suggested that if that is what was needed that you should put that in your advertisement, I received no further reply, and no change was made in his advertisement. I would also like to say that Ford is not helpful when dealing with "parts swapers" as they call us. I also noticed here that one post suggested cutting the V6 grille to allow the fog lights to be mounted in the stock grille. I don't think this will look very stock as the GT grille has a lip around the fog lights, don't think there is enough material to bolt the fog lights to, would require some modifications to the fog light mounting/adjusting brackets that I am not sure could be made, and I would hate to have some one cutting up their nice new mustang.

Saying all this, you can get the GT Grille to fit into the V6 bumper cover without modification to your bumper cover. I do sell a kit with all the parts, grille, lights, wiring harness, switch...the whole 9 yards, but you will have to find it if your are intersted, I am just giving our experience with the grille swap here for those that have an interest in doing this to their Mustang. I wanted everyone to know what was entailed.

The GT Grille can be fit into the V6 bumper cover. You will need to unhook the bumper cover on both sides of the grille. Remove the V6 grille, starting at the top clips and working your way down. DO NOT DAMAGE THE RETAINER TABS on the bumper cover. Install your wiring hanress and plug it into the fog lights. NOW HERE IS THE MOST DIFFICULT PART OF THE WHOLE DEAL.

Remove the bottom clips on the GT Grille, they don't line up, and they don't reach back far enough to clip into the bumper cover so you don't need them. Remove them with a pair of tin snips (JUST THE BOTTOM CLIPS ONLY). Clip the drivers side Grille clips into the bumper cover. NOW HERE IS WHERE YOU NEED TO DO SOME WORK AND HAVE SOME PATIENCE...Clip the passenger side in. This will require some muscling, perhaps some assistance with a screw driver to line the slot and the grille clip. Do this carefully, but it can be done. Once both side clips are done, us a pair of pliers and position the retainer tabs on the bumper cover into position as much as possible to hold the grille in the bumper cover. Replace the bumper cover to the original position, clipping both sides back into place and replacing the retainer bolts on both sides of the grille. Then reinstall the engine compartment (fan shroud) cover with the original 6 plugs, in the top of the GT Grille and radiator cross member, these holes will line up or can be made to line up.

The final result is that the GT grille will sit slightly farther out on the bottom than the stock grille. Because of the lines of the bottom of the grille, the bumper cover and the hood, it looks all pretty stock. I have shown my car to a Ford Parts Manager and Service Manager at my local dealership and they thought it looked good. There is a slight gap between the bottom of the grille and the top of the bumper cover, again because of the lines, it all looks stock. Unless you had your car sitting next to a GT and pointed out the difference, it is unlikely that anyone will notice. No one has noticed on my car.

The lights issue. You cannot just change the switch and hope everything will work. The GT and the V6 have a different wiring harness under the hood. The switch in the dash is a low power switch that seems to operate relays to power the fog lights and head lights...so you can't just tap into the switch. If you look in your owners manual you won't even find a fuse or relay for the headlights, only the fog lights and the high beams (but fog lights aren't supported in the V6 Fuse box). Because of the relay system you don't have "old school" on/off power at the head lights and the wiring there is insuficient (we think) to run both the head lights and fog lights anyway. So the best route is to wire a seperate harness that isolates the Fog lights in it's own circuit. Requires no splicing and if you do it right, no one even notices it under the hood. We use a 15 amp in-line fuse to protect your electrical system. The Fog Light bulbs are a new (of course, Ford has to switch things up all the time and use different plugs to keep things interesting) Sylvania #9145 or H10, and you can get the plug with pig tails, to plug right into the fog lights from your Ford Dealer to make the Fog Light end of your harness, if you are going to build it yourself. The motorcraft part number for the plug with pig tails is 1U2Z-14S411-FA.

The bottom line is that this swap is possible, I know cause I have done it. It looks great! But as the original post says, BEWARE OF THE PARTS GUY OR AFTERMARKET GUY ARE JUST TRYING TO THROW SOMETHING TOGETHER TO GET SOME SALES AND HAVEN'T DONE THEIR HOME WORK TO MAKE IT WORK RIGHT FOR YOU. You don't need to start paying through the nose, cutting up your nice new Mustang...shop around. You can find a lot of the parts listed here and there on the Internet. Or you can get most of the stuff I talked about here from your local Ford Dealership. But that is probably the most expensive place to buy it.

Hope this helps

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Old Feb 19, 2005 | 10:46 AM
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Great post! I also have 05' V6 and would like to add fog lights. I think I'll wait a bit to see if a easier solution comes out.



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