Yeah tire rack has some down to like 20lbs... Not the gain Im looking for, considering there are ricey 17x8 enkei that weigh 15lbs, and montegi that way 14lbs....

And about big brakes, I dont do real racing, just spirited racing on country roads in my own time... its why im trying to knock off some weight with racing seats and rims, rather than endanger the engine and spend thousands on a supercharger... Its really all for fun, so no big brakes in my future.

thanks guys