18's vs 20's
04-17-2009, 05:54 PM
#41
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lol @ some of the post in here.....
OP if you are really judging buying your rims because your worried about a ricer beating you by a nose then maybe you should go for power mods then? Your going to be pretty upset if you go with 18's and still get beat by a ricer....
lol @ bling and the thug nonsence....its 2009 get with it, you think companys who put factory 20's on do it cause they think its going to atract the thug crowd? no they do it cause MAJORITY likes it and it will increase sales and the look of the car, get real. I have flat black 20's and you tell me what is bling about flat black? They are also lighter then the stock shelby 18's.
The new ZR1 comes stock with 20's and you tell me where the bling factor and thugs relate to a ZR1 corvette wich I must say is the baddest car out right now for the bucks.
All the guys who dont likes 20's the only real reason IMO you have is that you like the look of a smaller wheel and that is all not because of performance and this and that because if it was you all would be rocking 17's???? why 18's if you can run 17's and get better performance? oh the rim is not wide enough for the tire you want? Get the rim widened...
Truth is once upon a time 20s were big slugish rims but now adays not the case at all and the ZR1 is the perfect example that 20's can be used and will contiune to be added to higher performing veichles.
to the OP just buy what you want and who cares about half of the crap people posted in here, in reality always somebody faster regardless of what rims you have, you may beat that ricer one day by a nose then his buddy with the same car but a better tune will beat you buy a nose then what? you dwell on your purchase of 18's and think you should of went with 17's lol...
just my 2 cents
OP if you are really judging buying your rims because your worried about a ricer beating you by a nose then maybe you should go for power mods then? Your going to be pretty upset if you go with 18's and still get beat by a ricer....
lol @ bling and the thug nonsence....its 2009 get with it, you think companys who put factory 20's on do it cause they think its going to atract the thug crowd? no they do it cause MAJORITY likes it and it will increase sales and the look of the car, get real. I have flat black 20's and you tell me what is bling about flat black? They are also lighter then the stock shelby 18's.
The new ZR1 comes stock with 20's and you tell me where the bling factor and thugs relate to a ZR1 corvette wich I must say is the baddest car out right now for the bucks.
All the guys who dont likes 20's the only real reason IMO you have is that you like the look of a smaller wheel and that is all not because of performance and this and that because if it was you all would be rocking 17's???? why 18's if you can run 17's and get better performance? oh the rim is not wide enough for the tire you want? Get the rim widened...
Truth is once upon a time 20s were big slugish rims but now adays not the case at all and the ZR1 is the perfect example that 20's can be used and will contiune to be added to higher performing veichles.
to the OP just buy what you want and who cares about half of the crap people posted in here, in reality always somebody faster regardless of what rims you have, you may beat that ricer one day by a nose then his buddy with the same car but a better tune will beat you buy a nose then what? you dwell on your purchase of 18's and think you should of went with 17's lol...
just my 2 cents
Also dont compare a 600+hp lightweight supercar with that of a heavier, 300hp, mustang!! O and the ZR1 has 19's up front so i guess they decided it aint to good to have 20's all around
04-17-2009, 06:13 PM
#42
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I think the point is being missed. Which is to say that the 20s usually do end up costing you some straight line performance all else being equal. Two rims of equal construction and material - the 18 will weigh less than the 20. Ofcourse you can cherry pick and compare a heavy 18" wheel to a light 20" wheel. Maybe the vehicles you mentioned might go faster yet without the 20s. There are other considerations and the look of the 20s is popular though I honestly don't understand why.
And there are people that do drive around on drag radials on the street.
And there are people that do drive around on drag radials on the street.
cherry pick? lol how is that cherry picking a stock shelby wheel ? sure I cherry picked my rims because thats what I wanted but in no way did I worry about the weight of the rim , they just happen to weigh less.
"look of the 20s is popular though I honestly don't understand why" personal choice is all, just like I dont understand why guys like lil rims and big sidewall to fill the wheel gap I think the 20's do a much better job rather then a wad of tire. but thats just me
04-17-2009, 06:31 PM
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Well if people wouldnt care what people cared in here there wouldnt be hardly any threads on mustangforums!! He just wanted the ups and downs of both 18's and 20's!
Also dont compare a 600+hp lightweight supercar with that of a heavier, 300hp, mustang!! O and the ZR1 has 19's up front so i guess they decided it aint to good to have 20's all around
Also dont compare a 600+hp lightweight supercar with that of a heavier, 300hp, mustang!! O and the ZR1 has 19's up front so i guess they decided it aint to good to have 20's all around
I though this was a technical forum, there are no feelings in techincal discussions is there? Majority of peoples replys are always personal preferance and they try to persuade you to what they like or think rather then giving the OP legit facts they give them dumb **** like "bling" and thug" lol when in reality thats there mind set and that is it.
Its a pissing contest knowbody will win just like the s/c turbo questions.
04-17-2009, 06:33 PM
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FWIW - Do your own performance comparison. Check out tirerack.com and look at the weight of the stock rim vs. what you are considering, also taking into consideration the weight of the tires. Then check the diameter of your wheel (which will determine how wide of a tire you can use). Unsprung mass is the primary performance killer. If the difference is negligible, you are probably not going to see a big difference. On the other hand, adding 20Lbs to each corner will definitely slow you down.
AFAIK - Beauty is still in the eye of the beholder. Go with what you like. There is nothing wrong with "Thug" or "Bling" or even "Spinners" (Sorry Norm
) if that is what floats your boat. If someone doesn't like it, well it ain't their ride
04-17-2009, 06:54 PM
#48
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Oh yah you can "argue" all you want with people about what looks better. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. FWIW I think the 20s look better than say a 15. So given a choice between the two extremes I'd go with the former.
The facts as I laid out in that previous post are incontrovertible. Given equal construction the 20 will weigh more and give you less sidewall. Whether on the street or on the track that will cost you performance.
The facts as I laid out in that previous post are incontrovertible. Given equal construction the 20 will weigh more and give you less sidewall. Whether on the street or on the track that will cost you performance.
04-17-2009, 07:10 PM
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lol @ some of the post in here.....
lol @ bling and the thug nonsence....its 2009 get with it, you think companys who put factory 20's on do it cause they think its going to atract the thug crowd? no they do it cause MAJORITY likes it and it will increase sales and the look of the car, get real. I have flat black 20's and you tell me what is bling about flat black? They are also lighter then the stock shelby 18's.
The new ZR1 comes stock with 20's and you tell me where the bling factor and thugs relate to a ZR1 corvette wich I must say is the baddest car out right now for the bucks.
lol @ bling and the thug nonsence....its 2009 get with it, you think companys who put factory 20's on do it cause they think its going to atract the thug crowd? no they do it cause MAJORITY likes it and it will increase sales and the look of the car, get real. I have flat black 20's and you tell me what is bling about flat black? They are also lighter then the stock shelby 18's.
The new ZR1 comes stock with 20's and you tell me where the bling factor and thugs relate to a ZR1 corvette wich I must say is the baddest car out right now for the bucks.
Asking people with other opinions "get with it" because "it's 2009" is nothing more than a demand that they change their mind to suit your opinion. Not a valid argument for wheel size choice, and I would resist that just on general principles.
All the guys who dont likes 20's the only real reason IMO you have is that you like the look of a smaller wheel and that is all not because of performance and this and that because if it was you all would be rocking 17's???? why 18's if you can run 17's and get better performance? oh the rim is not wide enough for the tire you want? Get the rim widened...
Truth is once upon a time 20s were big slugish rims but now adays not the case at all and the ZR1 is the perfect example that 20's can be used and will contiune to be added to higher performing veichles.
to the OP just buy what you want and who cares about half of the crap people posted in here, in reality always somebody faster regardless of what rims you have, you may beat that ricer one day by a nose then his buddy with the same car but a better tune will beat you buy a nose then what? you dwell on your purchase of 18's and think you should of went with 17's lol...
Norm
Last edited by Norm Peterson; 04-17-2009 at 07:16 PM.
