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Old Dec 4, 2010 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 157dB
Just the fact that you have to follow some sort of checklist before
exiting the vehicle to 'set it up' for remote start at a later time
makes me think it is not 'idiot proof'. I am not calling you an idiot.
I am sure that you set it correctly everytime, but that one time
someone does not follow the checklist, kablamo.
If it can go wrong, it will. Thats the need for the idiot proofness...
Do you emember 3 mile island or was that before your time.
Or who thought planes would be hitting big tall buildings one
right after the other?
Oh, I know your not referring to me, I´m not being stand-off ish. What I´m saying is in this instance the micro-controller will not allow you to remote start period, unless it´s done this way.

So, if you just shut it off and put it in gear you can tap away at the button all you like, it won´t even try. Ie. Fairly idiot proof. Again, if it´s made for the application you can expect it to be fairly reliable from a company that can be held accountable. It just has to be installed properly, the reason their still sold is because the FUBARian experiences aren´t due to the product, but the install and misapplication.

A good parallel to draw would be grabbing ANY antibiotic from your medicine cabinet rather than the one designed to fight the particular infection you have at the time; it probably won´t work, or at least won´t work as well.

Oh, they´re not before my time, although I was all of 3 when the first happened. That particular one is an example of incompetence, again, same as Chernobyl. The last, well, that wasn´t generally expected, but again, in my view the reactionary masses have overstepped common sense.

It surprises me still in the area that I live in it´s so accepted. Ben Franklin being the largest icon and all. The best quote from him goes along the lines of ¨Those who would trade a measure of freedom for security deserve neither.¨ I know I´m probably quoting it incorrectly, but should be close.
Old Dec 4, 2010 | 11:52 AM
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http://www.autoalarmpro.com/remote_start_manual_trans

Here you go i may get one for my Gt
Old Dec 4, 2010 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankobates
http://www.autoalarmpro.com/remote_start_manual_trans

Here you go i may get one for my Gt
Just make sure to ask them what cut-outs/safety-features are involved like discussed previously. I can´t find an online manual for them either for their variant, but I´ll give them a call later in the week and see how they´re handling it with their set-up and micro-controller.
Old Dec 4, 2010 | 12:02 PM
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yes sounds good i got a remote start from them for my pickup. i installed it myself and it works great, however the truck is an automatic.
Old Dec 4, 2010 | 12:02 PM
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Meh, n/m. 1-way transmitter. Didn´t notice that at first.
Old Dec 4, 2010 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wayne613
Oh, I know your not referring to me, I´m not being stand-off ish. What I´m saying is in this instance the micro-controller will not allow you to remote start period, unless it´s done this way.

So, if you just shut it off and put it in gear you can tap away at the button all you like, it won´t even try. Ie. Fairly idiot proof. Again, if it´s made for the application you can expect it to be fairly reliable from a company that can be held accountable. It just has to be installed properly, the reason their still sold is because the FUBARian experiences aren´t due to the product, but the install and misapplication.
But it will try if the E-Brake is set when it is shut off and left in gear?
Old Dec 4, 2010 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 157dB
But it will try if the E-Brake is set when it is shut off and left in gear?
That´s just it, with doode´s it can´t. You have to physically leave the car running when you step out, the alarm sets, it shuts it down and allows you to start it later so long as you have not opened the doors again with the remote, that would reset the cycle.

So you can´t actually leave the car in gear and have the remote start set to go. It´s then disabled by the micro-controller. Unless of course you were to put a brick on the clutch as you exited and left it in gear.
Old Dec 4, 2010 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wayne613
That´s just it, with doode´s it can´t. You have to physically leave the car running when you step out, the alarm sets, it shuts it down and allows you to start it later so long as you have not opened the doors again with the remote, that would reset the cycle.

So you can´t actually leave the car in gear and have the remote start set to go. It´s then disabled by the micro-controller. Unless of course you were to put a brick on the clutch as you exited and left it in gear.
Gotch, you have a smart system.
Its 99.9999% idiot proof.
Old Dec 4, 2010 | 03:41 PM
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I still do have more than a few questions, which is why I´d like to know the manufacturer/model of the R/S he got.

I can still envision a single improbable but possible scenario where it might be forgotten:

1)you exit with it running,
2)set the alarm with a kid/girlfriend inside
3)they put it in gear,
4)then you mistakenly double-tap it while inside the store and the only fail-safe your left with again is the e-brake to halt it´s lurching forward/back.
Again, unlikely, but possible.

This method seems to be the only one short of using a NO/NC switch for center-stick(neutral) position that would be fairly safe. With the previously mentioned squirrel´s with a grudge, kid in the car, and reaching in with a window down being the only means to change that from a ¨left in gear¨ perspective.

Assuming again the brains of the remote-starter is programmed the way I think it is, or should be in this case. Logically I can´t think why they´d do differently since it was thought though that well already, but I´d want to read the manual first before I was certain.
Old Dec 4, 2010 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wayne613
I still do have more than a few questions, which is why I´d like to know the manufacturer/model of the R/S he got.

I can still envision a single improbable but possible scenario where it might be forgotten:

1)you exit with it running,
2)set the alarm with a kid/girlfriend inside
3)they put it in gear,
4)then you mistakenly double-tap it while inside the store and the only fail-safe your left with again is the e-brake to halt it´s lurching forward/back.
Again, unlikely, but possible.

This method seems to be the only one short of using a NO/NC switch for center-stick(neutral) position that would be fairly safe. With the previously mentioned squirrel´s with a grudge, kid in the car, and reaching in with a window down being the only means to change that from a ¨left in gear¨ perspective.

Assuming again the brains of the remote-starter is programmed the way I think it is, or should be in this case. Logically I can´t think why they´d do differently since it was thought though that well already, but I´d want to read the manual first before I was certain.
If someone remained in the car after the alarm shut it down and put it in gear, no, the alarm will not know and when it goes to crank all hell will break loose

I don't have my car insured in the winter anyways so a freezing e-brake is not a real concern for me.

Yes, the way Compustar designed it, it is 99% idiot proof.

Just that 1% that is always there.



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