I've been reading up on how hydrogen fuel cells are too expensive to charge, how NASA has been working on it for years, etc., etc. Also been hearing how people in their back yards are producing simple Browns gas and improving fuel economy and performance.

Anyone tinker with this mod?

 

chemistry, physics and simple math will prove that this will not work:

• H+O+spark=water which is an implosion not an explosion which will yield less power.
• It takes more energy to separate the water molecules than you get my igniting them.
• the electricity used to separate the water would be better used in a ~85% efficient electric motor than a ~30% efficient combustion engine hence the electric car.

this theory was just made by pot smoking tree hugging hippies who failed high school.

something like this seems like a good transition for the combustion engine until then though...


EDIT: I see that you were not talking about making it onboard like a lot of people claim you can do. (or were you?) Either way I don't think that is efficient or safe, however mythbusters proved that running a car that was made to run of gas could run on just hydrogen.

Also I believe this whole thread is off topic.....

 

Ah, what is S197 tech? Do these rims make my car look phat?

In any combustion engine, there can be improvements to efficiency: mechanical, air or fuel. Examples respectively are cam shafts, forced air induction and higher octane gasoline. Hydrogen as an improvement is interesting because it is both a gas and a fuel; a fuel that does not need oxygen to burn.

And water is it's own battery. Lofty hydrogen atoms eagerly donate electrons to whatever they can attach to, and there are all kinds of theories about how the sun's energy and earth's gravity allow oxygen to remain close to the earth's surface, but that's a topic beyond my scope.

Every fossil fuel source creates emissions. Gasoline creates dangerous sulfur oxide and carbon monoxide. If we are losing oxygen in our atmosphere, especially our largest cities, then why not use an energy source that releases oxygen?

How much energy was required to put NOS in a bottle? How many thousands of dollars do we spend on superchargers? I am not an engineer or scientist. Just opening up a debate in a car forum.

What do any of our members make of this claim? http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/...ar/h20car2.htm

 

Ha, thats better! I just meant its not s197 specific. HHO does have its potential but I don't think there is any in this application. There are two different kinds of results I have found when people try this setup: the conspiracy theorist who claims it made his car went from 20 to 35+ MPGs and they guy who claims that it did nothing but wasted his time. I think we all want to believe. The first person to make a product like this where you can run a car on water is going to make bank! so why haven't they? my guess is that it is a pipe dream

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdFnp1fGwoI

 

It's not fast enough. Plus you have to wait 4 to 6 months.

 

Also the conversion is just way to much. What ever you save on gas would probably take many years to recoup.

 

Natural gas is the answer for short term.
The technology is there (over 20 yuears now) and while you don't pollute using it, your engine lasts twice as long.
It's a WIN/WIN scenario but politicians don't like those concepts.
They've been using LPG in Europe for about 20 years now but you still can't buy a new car already set up that way, you have to do it yourself.

 

I dunno... I got a hydrogen fueling station just down the street...

http://www.blogher.com/shell-scores-...drogen-station

 

the first response is correct.

I have threads about this on this site, camaroforums, ls1tech, and ls1.com. Im getting sick of writing about it.

aside from the problem he mentioned with the efficiency, there is the problem of impact.

The best system ive seen makes 1.8L of "HHO" (im a chemist so "HHO" sounds like fingernails on a chalkboard when I hear it....) per minute. thats pretty convenient for my example here.

so lets take a honda b18 motor and equip it with "HHO". at cruising speeds, lets say.... 1000rpm, the 1.8L motor is displacing 1800 liters of combustable mixture every minute.

the HHO generator makes a convenient 1.8L in that minute. both this VENTED material and the rest of the intake charge are subject to the same restrictive forces, so even if the motor isnt pulling a full 1800L (which it is... restriction would only lower the pressure, but the volume is mechanical) the proportions remain the same.

So what is 1.8/1800? .0001 or .01% of the fuel mixture.

that is trace amounts.

so why do people see efficiency gains?

simple. the kits are sold with a resistor that goes into the intake that tricks the computer into thinking....... sound familiar? its the resistor that is causing the savings. but we all know those are aweful ideas because all they do is trick the computer into running lean.

if running lean was a bad idea on straight gas, why would it suddenly be a good idea with hydrogen which burns faster and hotter than gasoline (that is, forgetting that we arent even generating enough hydrogen to matter at all).


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natural gas pollutes.
hydrogen fuel cells do not.

hydrogen fuel cells do not use combustion like a natural gas engine or IC engine would