Event Data Recorder (Black box)
02-20-2011, 06:32 PM
#4
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: CT
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I like the idea of the black box. It removes a lot of questions during/after a serious accident. I typically drive/abide by the law so it doesn't bother me. I think it will help prove in a accident when some idiot slams into you that they were at fault.
Some people will think this is a violation of the 4th amendment by using the black box to investigate an accident. I can't find anything that states that it is law to have the black box installed in your car. The black box was meant for use in dealer warranty applications. Some people including myself feel it may be mis-used when investigating an accident.
I could understand both points of view. The question is...."Does the gov have the right to use this device as evidence in a legal proceeding?" and if we as the car owner want to: "could we disconnect/remove this device without this act voiding our warranty"? It get's interesting?? This is a good question!
http://www.bloombergconsulting.com/F...ack%20Box.html
Actual black box report:
http://www.bloombergconsulting.com/f..._Econoline.PDF
Legal example:
http://www.bloombergconsulting.com/F...ack%20Box.html
4th Amendment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_...s_Constitution
Some people will think this is a violation of the 4th amendment by using the black box to investigate an accident. I can't find anything that states that it is law to have the black box installed in your car. The black box was meant for use in dealer warranty applications. Some people including myself feel it may be mis-used when investigating an accident.
I could understand both points of view. The question is...."Does the gov have the right to use this device as evidence in a legal proceeding?" and if we as the car owner want to: "could we disconnect/remove this device without this act voiding our warranty"? It get's interesting?? This is a good question!
http://www.bloombergconsulting.com/F...ack%20Box.html
Actual black box report:
http://www.bloombergconsulting.com/f..._Econoline.PDF
Legal example:
http://www.bloombergconsulting.com/F...ack%20Box.html
4th Amendment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_...s_Constitution
02-20-2011, 06:51 PM
#5
There is no law, yet at least, that says the "black box" is an automatically admissible court evidence. As with anything that is not defined by statute as a legal bit of evidence, the judge would have to admit it on a case by case basis, which means that a good lawyer can motion to have the evidence blocked and therefore barred from being considered for the case in question.
The "black box" is not a separate data logging device, if I understand correctly. I think the "black box" is actually part of the flash memory of the PCM. Otherwise, I think data recorder for the parameters measured, would be device at least several gigabytes in size? It would have to be larger if it were to data-record parameters for much longer than just 15-30 sec. If my guess is correct, the PCM suite is barely bare bones. If it were truly powerful, even to just the standards of a cell phone, the PCM would also be capable of reading not just from one tune, but a second, third, fourth tune with just a flip of a switch or a push of a button!
Hell, look at the '12 Boss; the PCM is capable of storing two tunes: the stock tune and the TracKey tune just by turning off the car and switching to the red key.
The "black box" is not a separate data logging device, if I understand correctly. I think the "black box" is actually part of the flash memory of the PCM. Otherwise, I think data recorder for the parameters measured, would be device at least several gigabytes in size? It would have to be larger if it were to data-record parameters for much longer than just 15-30 sec. If my guess is correct, the PCM suite is barely bare bones. If it were truly powerful, even to just the standards of a cell phone, the PCM would also be capable of reading not just from one tune, but a second, third, fourth tune with just a flip of a switch or a push of a button!
Hell, look at the '12 Boss; the PCM is capable of storing two tunes: the stock tune and the TracKey tune just by turning off the car and switching to the red key.
02-21-2011, 11:28 AM
#6
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Mid MI
Posts: 205
As with anything that is not defined by statute as a legal bit of evidence, the judge would have to admit it on a case by case basis, which means that a good lawyer can motion to have the evidence blocked and therefore barred from being considered for the case in question.
02-21-2011, 02:02 PM
#7
5th Gear Member
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: ATL
Posts: 2,955
There is no law, yet at least, that says the "black box" is an automatically admissible court evidence. As with anything that is not defined by statute as a legal bit of evidence, the judge would have to admit it on a case by case basis, which means that a good lawyer can motion to have the evidence blocked and therefore barred from being considered for the case in question.
The "black box" is not a separate data logging device, if I understand correctly. I think the "black box" is actually part of the flash memory of the PCM. Otherwise, I think data recorder for the parameters measured, would be device at least several gigabytes in size? It would have to be larger if it were to data-record parameters for much longer than just 15-30 sec. If my guess is correct, the PCM suite is barely bare bones. If it were truly powerful, even to just the standards of a cell phone, the PCM would also be capable of reading not just from one tune, but a second, third, fourth tune with just a flip of a switch or a push of a button!
Hell, look at the '12 Boss; the PCM is capable of storing two tunes: the stock tune and the TracKey tune just by turning off the car and switching to the red key.
The "black box" is not a separate data logging device, if I understand correctly. I think the "black box" is actually part of the flash memory of the PCM. Otherwise, I think data recorder for the parameters measured, would be device at least several gigabytes in size? It would have to be larger if it were to data-record parameters for much longer than just 15-30 sec. If my guess is correct, the PCM suite is barely bare bones. If it were truly powerful, even to just the standards of a cell phone, the PCM would also be capable of reading not just from one tune, but a second, third, fourth tune with just a flip of a switch or a push of a button!
Hell, look at the '12 Boss; the PCM is capable of storing two tunes: the stock tune and the TracKey tune just by turning off the car and switching to the red key.
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