2005-2014 Mustangs Discussions on the latest S197 model Mustangs from Ford.

Why do I hate the new 6-speeds?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 12, 2011 | 11:27 AM
  #11  
STANGmole's Avatar
STANGmole
2nd Gear Member
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 312
From: OR
Default

I felt that way about the Tremec 5spd in my 2008. I freakin' HATED it!! I couldn't get a clean shift for anything and when it was cold it was subject to "cold clash" like many others have experienced. It was total crap IMO and it WASN'T because I didn't know how to shift (I've owned three other manual Mustangs over the years and they all....except for maybe my 65 with the 3 speed....shifted MUCH smoother and quicker than the Tremec).

I traded my 2008 for a 2010 automatic; the main reason was that I hated the 5 speed so much. If I ever get rid of the 2010 it will be for another automatic. I enjoy driving a manual transmission but Ford has really f-d up the new ones.
Old Mar 12, 2011 | 12:42 PM
  #12  
jacjacatk's Avatar
jacjacatk
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 7
From: GA
Default

I guess that brings up another question for me. I've never driven a 5 or 6 speed auto for any length of time, and hadn't really given them much though for a Mustang, until now. I did drive an '11 v6 with the auto and 3.31 and was pleasantly surprised at the punch. Based on the lurking I've done here, I guess the autos are even more fun once you've gotten a tune on these cars, so are they good enough to make me not miss doing it myself with a 5-speed manual?
Old Mar 12, 2011 | 01:26 PM
  #13  
Joe in Dublin's Avatar
Joe in Dublin
2nd Gear Member
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 262
From: Ca
Default

Manual for sure, my 6spd is fine, yes it needs to warm up like most manuals.
Old Mar 12, 2011 | 03:22 PM
  #14  
sicride's Avatar
sicride
2nd Gear Member
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 284
Default

6 speeds are closer gears so they need to be shifted faster or the revs drop too much between gears to engage smoothly. My previous vehicle had a 6 speed and I would start in second quite often if possible, usually skipping third going straight to fourth. If I didn't I would usually either wind out 1st and shift straight to 4th or 5th, or I would skip second. These made everything quite a bit smoother. None of this is any more annoying than shifting first to second, second to third, etc. once you get used to it.
Old Mar 12, 2011 | 06:27 PM
  #15  
parchisi's Avatar
parchisi
3rd Gear Member
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 599
From: New Mexico...FML
Default

The clutch on my '11 is one of the lightest I've driven. That said, it does engage rather suddenly takes a pretty fine touch to have smooth shifts when driving normally. I've gotten used to it, but sometimes still if i'm not paying much attention to the shifting, the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts can be kinda jerky. I wonder how much an aftermarket clutch would affect things.
Old Mar 13, 2011 | 01:27 AM
  #16  
Big_T_Judge's Avatar
Big_T_Judge
1st Gear Member
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 80
From: NV
Default

When I went to the dealer to test drive the 6spd. the salesman said they did not shift smoothly under "normal" driving conditions and often jerked you a little bit, which he did a good 4 or 5 times. When I first got behind the wheel, I noticed a slight jerk if I let the clutch out too fast the first couple shifts, but once I started to ease the clutch a bit slower, the shifts were nice and smooth and you barely even felt them. Every trans/clutch setup is a little different and therefore requires that you modify your driving habits.
Old Mar 14, 2011 | 09:58 AM
  #17  
CincyGT2009's Avatar
CincyGT2009
2nd Gear Member
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 300
From: Ohio
Default

The main thing I notice with a 6-speed is that the gear ratios are so much closer together that you really need less "pause" on the upshift and a smaller throttle-blip on the downshifts. I will say that the closeness of the gates would take a couple days to get used to, coming from a 5-speed every day... Oh, and get a kit to eliminate the skip-shift!
Old Mar 14, 2011 | 10:13 AM
  #18  
LostBoyz's Avatar
LostBoyz
4th Gear Member
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,292
From: MI
Default

you don't need a kit, you can just disconnect the skip shift connector under the car, won't set a tell-tale lamp either.
Old Mar 14, 2011 | 10:32 AM
  #19  
Slick61's Avatar
Slick61
1st Gear Member
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 58
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by jacjacatk
I probably phrased it poorly, but the main problem wasn't missing gates, it was an inability to smoothly engage the selected gear. Again, I haven't driven stick in forever, but engaging the clutch felt a lot more abrupt in the 6s and I'd often get the car jerking while in the 5s engagement always felt smooth, and I could rarely feel anything unusual at all running up and down through them.
I have the same problem with my '05... if you ask me, the problem is with the "drive-by-wire" throttle. It just makes me feel completely disconnected from what the engine/trans are doing. Besides my 'stang, I have a '65 427 Cobra roadster (replica) with over 600 hp that is SO much easier to drive smoothly, despite the MUCH stiffer clutch.
Old Mar 14, 2011 | 02:54 PM
  #20  
CincyGT2009's Avatar
CincyGT2009
2nd Gear Member
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 300
From: Ohio
Default

Ah...gotcha. I guess I was thinking of how they have to have a kit to eliminate the skip shift on the Vettes...



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:44 PM.